Aston Villa v Bolton Wanderers Post-Match Thread

[MarkM]

What a load of tripe is being said.  The owner invested and supported the then manager in the hope of breaking into the top 4.  It didn't work and it wSnt the owners fault.

As a consequence the club lost £35m so the the owner has decided to sort the balance sheet out.  Thank god for that.  If he hadn't and he didn't carry on throwing money in we would go bust.

As for last night, was it the owners fault? No. Was it the managers fault? No.

I think a few on this thread should start using theirs heads to think with and their feet to dance with.

Was it the owners fault???

Depends how you look at it, they backed MON and signed of the accounts, they made a huge mess of replacing him last season, they made a huge mess of replacing the replacment for MON this season.

They signed off a policy to reduce the wage bill and to sell two of our best players and hired a manager with a history of defensive play.

Where they to blame for the total negative hoof ball seen last night? [and lets face it apart from the goals against Blackburn and Everton we have been not good at all in the other games]

They have to take their share, they made the decisions during MON's reign, they signed the current manager knowing his history, they signed off on the current spending plans.

Its not the loosing I hate, its the way we lost that gets to me

[sg]

I was there, wish i didnt bother. Only + point being brigada in L1 beneath us, fair play gents.

[Ads]

Well after travelling down and back to manchester at breakneck speed I wish I hadn't bothered.  Utter utter Blues.

The most exciting part of the night was getting off the M6 oooop Narf without anybody else overtaking me.

Meep-meep!

[Jimbo]

It worries me more that the message is Lerner wants to stay and is in no way thinking of selling.

Other than Faulkner - and he won't tell us - I doubt anyone truly knows what Lerner's intentions are going forward.

I think his intentions are more about going backward.

I don't for one minute think those are his intentions, but it's happening, of that there is no doubt.

Scaling back is certainly his intention. And in this business that can only mean one thing.

[JUAN PABLO]

Well.... i was working until 2200... this is how apathetic I currently am.... I forgot to even check what the score was until I just got up! Now that IS bad! Last time I cared as less as this was under DOL and then go back to probably 1986/7.

I remember 1986/1987 well , but I still went to every home game and quite a few away , it was my club and I loved it  , yet today with the money these muppets      are earning I cant be bothered any more , it just makes my blood boil , especially the money and effort it costs to get down there and I see these players who dont give a f**k ..

[Can Gana Be Bettered!?!?]

That was the worst I have seen Villa play in over 15 years of going to watch Villa. Worse than the Spurs match last season, worse than losing at home to Coventry in the FA Cup (that was the only game I have ever left early in - until tonight).

It was so shockingly bad.

Ireland, Delfounseo and Albrighton are clearly not good enough. Ireland in particular is a joke. How does a player like that recieve as big a weekly wage as he does???

The only way AM can come out of this with any respect is by admitting to everybody we were shit and that he ensures this will never happen again. There were no positives so he shouldn't even try to give one. Take the hit and move on.

I really hope this isn't a sign of things to come, but at the moment, I'm not holding my breath...

Rubbish.

[JUAN PABLO]

On a good note , we have Heskey and Jenas to come into the team ..


* walks away , shaking his head *

[London Villan]

1 shot on target all game must be some sort of record and has our manager come out with any pearls of wisdom to excuse that pathetic performance yet?

[JB1811]

Losing i can take, it happens.  Lack of attacking intention, ideas, ambition, and effort are inexcusable!!   

[pauliewalnuts]

What a load of tripe is being said.  The owner invested and supported the then manager in the hope of breaking into the top 4.  It didn't work and it wSnt the owners fault.

As a consequence the club lost £35m so the the owner has decided to sort the balance sheet out.  Thank god for that.  If he hadn't and he didn't carry on throwing money in we would go bust.

As for last night, was it the owners fault? No. Was it the managers fault? No.

I think a few on this thread should start using theirs heads to think with and their feet to dance with.

We were not on the verge of going bust at all - you make it sound as if we were Portsmouth, which is far from the truth.

Even if you accept your hypothesis that we were on the road to ruin, then it is odd that you absolve the owner from any blame for that.

What kind of person sees it as a sensible business plan to have a roll of the dice at the CL (which, lest we forget, might have wound up in two matches followed by exit) knowing that the consequences of not getting it would be risking the continued existence of the club?

Furthermore, you make it sound like people don't think there need to be reductions in spending / wages etc, which is simply not true. I don't think there's a single person on here who doesn't appreciate that.

The question mark is over how quickly we are attempting to do it, and a lot of us have said for a while that we think it is being done far too quickly, and will both throw away the progress of the last five years and send the club backwards.

Again, what kind of business plan is it which involves throwing the baby out with the bathwater so comprehensively?

You're quite right, it is time some posters started using their heads to think - and that includes those who think it is as overly simple and clear cut, when it is not.

[bertlambshank]

What a load of tripe is being said.  The owner invested and supported the then manager in the hope of breaking into the top 4.  It didn't work and it wSnt the owners fault.
How is it not Randy's fault?
As a consequence the club lost £35m so the the owner has decided to sort the balance sheet out.  Thank god for that.  If he hadn't and he didn't carry on throwing money in we would go bust.

As for last night, was it the owners fault? No. Was it the managers fault? No.

I think a few on this thread should start using theirs heads to think with and their feet to dance with.

[frank]

When I saw the team I was reasonably happy. Given the injuries, I thought, this was probably our best team (though we're obviously a good deal weaker with Delfouneso instead of Bent, even when Delfouneso is played in his proper position) and, after last Saturday, I thought that it was right that N'Zogbia and Delph were left out and Ireland and Albrighton given an opportunity.

But what a wretched performance it was! I agree with others that we did create a few promising situations, but time after time we lost the ball, gave it away or passed it backwards before anything really dangerous developed. Albrighton and Delfouneso have had plenty of chances now and have shown that they're not PL quality. Perhaps, like Peter Whittingham, they need to drop down a division in order to develop. Not one of our players dominated, in the way that Ashley Young and even Downing did. The most you can say is that Gabby and Petrov tried hard. Bannan has now had two poor games in a row and several other opportunities and I'm beginning to wonder whether he too would be better off in a lower league.

Who does that leave? Ireland? He certainly saw plenty of the ball, but I can't recall him delivering a single threatening pass and he frequently lost the ball. Hutton? Well, not only is he not John Gidman, he's not even Luke Young. N'Zogbia? Who?
I hate being negative about my own team, but this season the only thing that has given me any pleasure is the fact that we didn't give up against Everton. Even the one win was a pretty drab affair, and in no game have we dominated or excited. I accept - reluctantly - that we're not in the same league as Man U etc, but what's hard to take is that we're dull, lack drive and creativity, and are just not very good.

[richard moore]

Given the travelling you do Frank and the money you spend on following the Villa, you have every right to say what you want and I pay particular attention to your comments as I know they will always be very well considered, measured and informed. What is most worrying is to see how worried you are! I can only hugely admire you for still making the long treks that I know you do...

[London Villan]

Pretty good summary there Frank.

[Matt C]

So, is that two shots on target in two home games?