n'zogbia's overall play and attitude

[martin]

Ok he's not been great so far but he wouldn't be the first player to take a season to settle into a new club. Lets not get on his back just yet.
And it's a huge reminder for those that thought replacing the 'over-rated' Ashley Young would be a piece of piss.

I love the "needs time to settle" argument, just like Aguero and Suarez need time to settle, imagine how good they will be when they have settled.  Zog has played in England for years, this excuse of "needs time" is bullcrap, if players have ability they "settle" very quickly.

Absolute bollocks.

 Ask any Man U fan what they thought of Vidic and Evra for the first 6 months. Most wondered what the hell Fergie had wasted millions on.

I don't know your age or circumstance but I'm assuming you've never had a career change that involved relocating? It takes time to find your feet, and different people will have different timescales to do so.

And that's before you take into account what playing role he's being asked to adapt to. It may be something he's not used to doing, it may be he hasn't quite hit an understanding of the kind of runs Bent will make etc etc.

I accept he hasn't hit form yet, but I can guarantee you one thing - he will perform much better with the Holte getting behind him than he will with you booing every mistake he makes.

The bloke was playing in Wigan and presumably spent his summer hols in France. What time zone would he be needing to get used to exactly apart from GMT?

Appreciate the lad's had an injury which would account for underperformance, so all the more reason to get fans on a hundreth of his salary on board with a brief nod in their direction when he is substituted after a sub-standard performance and they still find it in their hearts to give him a clap because he wears the shirt of the team they love.

Christ, it was the kind of basic PR which bought Nigel Reo Coker 12 months of good grace before we realised he was shit.

By the way, Mr Woo, what will you do with those Chinese laundry blues?

[Chris Smith]

Ok he's not been great so far but he wouldn't be the first player to take a season to settle into a new club. Lets not get on his back just yet.
And it's a huge reminder for those that thought replacing the 'over-rated' Ashley Young would be a piece of piss.

I love the "needs time to settle" argument, just like Aguero and Suarez need time to settle, imagine how good they will be when they have settled.  Zog has played in England for years, this excuse of "needs time" is bullcrap, if players have ability they "settle" very quickly.

Or Henry and Dzeko? Or Ashley Young and Stewart Downing when they joined us. He's also had to joint a side that are all having to adjust to a new manager and a new way of playing having lost a number of regulars from last season.

[eastie]

Unfair to make any definitive judgement until at least christmas- i agree he was disappointing yesterday but it was a poor team display and a quality display against his old club next week would give him a huge boost .

[RunRickyRun]

Ok he's not been great so far but he wouldn't be the first player to take a season to settle into a new club. Lets not get on his back just yet.
And it's a huge reminder for those that thought replacing the 'over-rated' Ashley Young would be a piece of piss.

I love the "needs time to settle" argument, just like Aguero and Suarez need time to settle, imagine how good they will be when they have settled.  Zog has played in England for years, this excuse of "needs time" is bullcrap, if players have ability they "settle" very quickly.

Young, Downing and Milner are all players we would have back in a heartbeat. All three took at least a dozen games to settle in.

[Big Dick Edwards]

N'Zogbia is playing too deep in my opinion. We need his skills behind Bent, not behind our attacking midfielders.

[dishy]

Ok he's not been great so far but he wouldn't be the first player to take a season to settle into a new club. Lets not get on his back just yet.
And it's a huge reminder for those that thought replacing the 'over-rated' Ashley Young would be a piece of piss.

I love the "needs time to settle" argument, just like Aguero and Suarez need time to settle, imagine how good they will be when they have settled.  Zog has played in England for years, this excuse of "needs time" is bullcrap, if players have ability they "settle" very quickly.

Are you really trying to compare two world class players playing in teams who are dominating games with possession at 75% and having 20 shots per game against our 1 shot on target and very little ball?

I am pointing out that Zog has played in the top flight in England for years, yet he still needs time to settle when other players can come in from other countries and slot in straight away, why is only at Villa that players need time to settle

[Matt C]

I don't think we've quite figured out how best to make use of him yet but we will an he'll be fine, good player.

[Chris Smith]

Ok he's not been great so far but he wouldn't be the first player to take a season to settle into a new club. Lets not get on his back just yet.
And it's a huge reminder for those that thought replacing the 'over-rated' Ashley Young would be a piece of piss.

I love the "needs time to settle" argument, just like Aguero and Suarez need time to settle, imagine how good they will be when they have settled.  Zog has played in England for years, this excuse of "needs time" is bullcrap, if players have ability they "settle" very quickly.

Are you really trying to compare two world class players playing in teams who are dominating games with possession at 75% and having 20 shots per game against our 1 shot on target and very little ball?

I am pointing out that Zog has played in the top flight in England for years, yet he still needs time to settle when other players can come in from other countries and slot in straight away, why is only at Villa that players need time to settle

It isn't only Villa. Has Carroll settled at Liverpool yet, for example? I'm sure if you look into it you can find examples at all clubs.

[Ads]

Ok he's not been great so far but he wouldn't be the first player to take a season to settle into a new club. Lets not get on his back just yet.
And it's a huge reminder for those that thought replacing the 'over-rated' Ashley Young would be a piece of piss.

I love the "needs time to settle" argument, just like Aguero and Suarez need time to settle, imagine how good they will be when they have settled.  Zog has played in England for years, this excuse of "needs time" is bullcrap, if players have ability they "settle" very quickly.

Are you really trying to compare two world class players playing in teams who are dominating games with possession at 75% and having 20 shots per game against our 1 shot on target and very little ball?

I am pointing out that Zog has played in the top flight in England for years, yet he still needs time to settle when other players can come in from other countries and slot in straight away, why is only at Villa that players need time to settle

It isn't only Villa. Has Carroll settled at Liverpool yet, for example? I'm sure if you look into it you can find examples at all clubs.

Don't be daft Chris, this is modern football with the modern fan. Its got to happen now, in the first five minutes of a game otherwise he's a write off.

[Vanilla]

Ok he's not been great so far but he wouldn't be the first player to take a season to settle into a new club. Lets not get on his back just yet.
And it's a huge reminder for those that thought replacing the 'over-rated' Ashley Young would be a piece of piss.

I love the "needs time to settle" argument, just like Aguero and Suarez need time to settle, imagine how good they will be when they have settled.  Zog has played in England for years, this excuse of "needs time" is bullcrap, if players have ability they "settle" very quickly.

Are you really trying to compare two world class players playing in teams who are dominating games with possession at 75% and having 20 shots per game against our 1 shot on target and very little ball?

I am pointing out that Zog has played in the top flight in England for years, yet he still needs time to settle when other players can come in from other countries and slot in straight away, why is only at Villa that players need time to settle

It isn't only Villa. Has Carroll settled at Liverpool yet, for example? I'm sure if you look into it you can find examples at all clubs.

I do feel sorry for N'Zogbia getting criticism, but the problem with any Villa signing, is that they are few and far between, so the magnifying glass comes out, and it comes out quickly. Villa have only signed 6 players in the last two seasons (not including loans), Liverpool have, I think signed 21 players in that time.

[Risso]

There's also the act that he isn't as good as the players we've sold in the same position.

[Vanilla]

There is obviously that. In a sense, he was one player coming in, replacing two players going out, but that's not his fault.

It reminds me a not like the time when we were going to buy Juninho, and ended up with Steve Stone.

[Rudy Can't Fail]

The sullen face? From my desktop research on N'Zogbia when we signed him, he rarely smiles, even when he scores, as was demonstrated at Braga. Get used to it.

As for his footballing side, as somebody mentioned earlier, I don't think we've found his best position and as with playing Gabby on the wing and Heskey in the attacking midfield role, AM seems to be accomodating players rather than trying to find the right balance. Martinez at Wigan has a more 'modern' approach to his sides style, whilst we are old school 'battlers'. At the moment we're having to carry Zog but I still believe he'll come good but whether or not we continue to give him a start is open to question.

As we have one of his former clubs next up I'd be tempted to start him and hopefully with Bannan in the team we'll be more adventuous in our play. It's a shame that yesterday it took Dunne and Collins to show the midfield that you can push further up the field, by which time Zog had already been subbed. He needs the link up play with the midfield and can't be expected to do it all by himself.

If he again fails to deliver against Newcastle, I'd be tempted to drop him until we work out how best to use him. I do however think he'll have a cracker against the Geordies and expect him to feature on the list of scorers in a home win.

[olofmilosevic]

good player in a shit team (wigan)

[Villanation]

put it this way Ashley Young has a much bigger step up to get used to Man Utd and Downing to get used to Liverpool than N'Zogbia does at Villa,

Can you explain exactly how it was a much bigger step for Young and Downing?

Very easily, Ash Young is going to arguably one of the best teams in the world, going to a team that demands absolute perfection from its players or your out, Berbatov anybody, Ash in response being a quality mature pro, used to the Premiership has responded instantly and slotted in like its the only club he's ever played for, if you turned around to most Man Utd fans and asked them if Ash Young needs to prove himself they'd probably ask what the hell you where on about, Downing is doing Ok but because of where Liverpool aspire to be he's got a lot to do.

N'Zogbia, the step up from Wigan albeit Villa are a bigger club, think its fair to say Villa as we stand are mid-table stuff so any difference between that and 17th is often negligible so if N'Zogbia, mature Premiership player as anything about him should start to show some of what he's got, should start to making his mark on the team, now unless I'm very much mistaken I haven't seen much of that yet but that's not to say its not going to happen.