What is it about Emile Heskey?

[Villanation]

As for trophies, I wish Villa had won what he's won over the past 15 years!

I think people are confusing the efforts of a team and what a team achieves to the contribution of one man or are you really suggesting that Emile Heskey won the day in all those trophies for Liverpool, so he was a kind of Messi all singing all dancing man of the moment at that time and without Heskey Liverpool would not have achieved what they did.

I seriously don't think so....

[spangley1812]

That year he won the FA Cup, League Cup and UEFA Cup if you think he is rubbish and not worth his place thats fine I think he does a good job for the team and if he is not in the team the midfield is very lightweight and he is usefull when defending set pieces

That year he won the FA Cup, League Cup and UEFA Cup,    ?

I'm not saying he's rubbish, I'm saying he would be better suited elsewhere, not just for him but definitely for Villa.

PWS, I'd wouldn't mind betting most defenders would prefer to face a cumbersome tree that maybe difficult in the tackle but is no threat up front, than a player that gets the slightest wiff of the goal will score or attempt to score, think about it, I wonder what Moyes will say to the Everton defence for Saturday, don't worry about marking Heskey he'll never score as long as he's got a hole in his ar*e, double up on Bent and negate Agbonlahor, threat over.

Im sure Steve Kean gave that team talk before the Blackburn game.......................

[Monty]

I don't dislike Emile as a matter of course, I just really dislike the role and position he plays in our team. Like I've said before, he's never, ever excelled in the attacking midfield role he's playing with us, and all compliments from Rooney, Owen etc are of him playing further forward as an orthodox target man. I dislike the football that having him in the side forces us to play, and I dislike that he is keeping out other players, particularly Bannan, who could alter our style of play and make us more dangerous, not least by giving Bent something to work with.

[Villanation]

That year he won the FA Cup, League Cup and UEFA Cup if you think he is rubbish and not worth his place thats fine I think he does a good job for the team and if he is not in the team the midfield is very lightweight and he is usefull when defending set pieces

That year he won the FA Cup, League Cup and UEFA Cup,    ?

I'm not saying he's rubbish, I'm saying he would be better suited elsewhere, not just for him but definitely for Villa.

PWS, I'd wouldn't mind betting most defenders would prefer to face a cumbersome tree that maybe difficult in the tackle but is no threat up front, than a player that gets the slightest wiff of the goal will score or attempt to score, think about it, I wonder what Moyes will say to the Everton defence for Saturday, don't worry about marking Heskey he'll never score as long as he's got a hole in his ar*e, double up on Bent and negate Agbonlahor, threat over.

Im sure Steve Kean gave that team talk before the Blackburn game.......................

From what I can see team talks and Blackburn don't fit well together.

[spangley1812]

As for trophies, I wish Villa had won what he's won over the past 15 years!

I think people are confusing the efforts of a team and what a team achieves to the contribution of one man or are you really suggesting that Emile Heskey won the day in all those trophies for Liverpool, so he was a kind of Messi all singing all dancing man of the moment at that time and without Heskey Liverpool would not have achieved what they did.

I seriously don't think so....

Unfortunately football is a team game and he has the medals to prove that the teams thats he has played in have been succesfull and he has 62 England caps

[Villanation]

I don't dislike Emile as a matter of course, I just really dislike the role and position he plays in our team. Like I've said before, he's never, ever excelled in the attacking midfield role he's playing with us, and all compliments from Rooney, Owen etc are of him playing further forward as an orthodox target man. I dislike the football that having him in the side forces us to play, and I dislike that he is keeping out other players, particularly Bannan, who could alter our style of play and make us more dangerous, not least by giving Bent something to work with.

This is my point, he's had a few games for us, that's it, thank you a goodnight, everybody and his uncle has been moaning about our wage bill, we need to cut this and get rid of that, when we where letting go of players like NRC for nothing and Luke Young, struggled with signings because it seemed obvious that money wise we couldn't attract the right players and yet we keep Heskey.......doesn't make any sense to me at tall.

[LeeB]

As for trophies, I wish Villa had won what he's won over the past 15 years!

I think people are confusing the efforts of a team and what a team achieves to the contribution of one man or are you really suggesting that Emile Heskey won the day in all those trophies for Liverpool, so he was a kind of Messi all singing all dancing man of the moment at that time and without Heskey Liverpool would not have achieved what they did.

I seriously don't think so....

He scored 22 goals that season.

[LeeB]

I don't dislike Emile as a matter of course, I just really dislike the role and position he plays in our team. Like I've said before, he's never, ever excelled in the attacking midfield role he's playing with us, and all compliments from Rooney, Owen etc are of him playing further forward as an orthodox target man. I dislike the football that having him in the side forces us to play, and I dislike that he is keeping out other players, particularly Bannan, who could alter our style of play and make us more dangerous, not least by giving Bent something to work with.

This is my point, he's had a few games for us, that's it, thank you a goodnight, everybody and his uncle has been moaning about our wage bill, we need to cut this and get rid of that, when we where letting go of players like NRC for nothing and Luke Young, struggled with signings because it seemed obvious that money wise we couldn't attract the right players and yet we keep Heskey.......doesn't make any sense to me at tall.

Fucking hell mate, do you need it spelt out?

Reo-Coker, who for some seems a favourite despite costing more than twice what Emile did and being the dictionary definition of average, left as his contract was up.

Luke Young was sold because someone bid for him.

Emile still has a contract, and as far as we know, no one has bid for him, so he's still here.

It's not some elaborate scheme by the club to piss you off.

[Monty]

As for trophies, I wish Villa had won what he's won over the past 15 years!

I think people are confusing the efforts of a team and what a team achieves to the contribution of one man or are you really suggesting that Emile Heskey won the day in all those trophies for Liverpool, so he was a kind of Messi all singing all dancing man of the moment at that time and without Heskey Liverpool would not have achieved what they did.

I seriously don't think so....

He scored 22 goals that season.

Which is more than he's scored for Villa in his entire time here so far.

I think it would be easy to get bogged down in the past. Heskey at Liverpool was a different player in a different team in, frankly, a different era tactically for English football. What matters is the here and now, and that should be the debate. For my money, his presence and role in the team has been detrimental to our attacking options this season in a way which outweighs his defensive contribution.

[Villanation]

I don't dislike Emile as a matter of course, I just really dislike the role and position he plays in our team. Like I've said before, he's never, ever excelled in the attacking midfield role he's playing with us, and all compliments from Rooney, Owen etc are of him playing further forward as an orthodox target man. I dislike the football that having him in the side forces us to play, and I dislike that he is keeping out other players, particularly Bannan, who could alter our style of play and make us more dangerous, not least by giving Bent something to work with.

This is my point, he's had a few games for us, that's it, thank you a goodnight, everybody and his uncle has been moaning about our wage bill, we need to cut this and get rid of that, when we where letting go of players like NRC for nothing and Luke Young, struggled with signings because it seemed obvious that money wise we couldn't attract the right players and yet we keep Heskey.......doesn't make any sense to me at tall.

Fucking hell mate, do you need it spelt out?

Reo-Coker, who for some seems a favourite despite costing more than twice what Emile did and being the dictionary definition of average, left as his contract was up.

Luke Young was sold because someone bid for him.

Emile still has a contract, and as far as we know, no one has bid for him, so he's still here.

It's not some elaborate scheme by the club to piss you off.

This'll help cheer you up...

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/features/3057972/The-best-jokes-about-Emile-Heskey.html

[LeeB]

I know Monty, it's just Villanation seems to want to discredit his achievements as they were achieved as part of a 'team', in an effort to back up his point.

[Monty]

I know Monty, it's just Villanation seems to want to discredit his achievements as they were achieved as part of a 'team', in an effort to back up his point.

You're both right though, of course, because in that team and at that time he was clearly able to contribute a lot. Right now, though, I don't think the same applies.

[LeeB]

I don't dislike Emile as a matter of course, I just really dislike the role and position he plays in our team. Like I've said before, he's never, ever excelled in the attacking midfield role he's playing with us, and all compliments from Rooney, Owen etc are of him playing further forward as an orthodox target man. I dislike the football that having him in the side forces us to play, and I dislike that he is keeping out other players, particularly Bannan, who could alter our style of play and make us more dangerous, not least by giving Bent something to work with.

This is my point, he's had a few games for us, that's it, thank you a goodnight, everybody and his uncle has been moaning about our wage bill, we need to cut this and get rid of that, when we where letting go of players like NRC for nothing and Luke Young, struggled with signings because it seemed obvious that money wise we couldn't attract the right players and yet we keep Heskey.......doesn't make any sense to me at tall.

Fucking hell mate, do you need it spelt out?

Reo-Coker, who for some seems a favourite despite costing more than twice what Emile did and being the dictionary definition of average, left as his contract was up.

Luke Young was sold because someone bid for him.

Emile still has a contract, and as far as we know, no one has bid for him, so he's still here.

It's not some elaborate scheme by the club to piss you off.

This'll help cheer you up...

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/features/3057972/The-best-jokes-about-Emile-Heskey.html

Thankfully my companies' web security policy doesn't allow me to view that, or that would've been another couple of minutes of my life I'd never get back.

[LeeB]

I know Monty, it's just Villanation seems to want to discredit his achievements as they were achieved as part of a 'team', in an effort to back up his point.

You're both right though, of course, because in that team and at that time he was clearly able to contribute a lot. Right now, though, I don't think the same applies.

I'm not his biggest fan by any stretch, but I think it's interesting that O'Neill *spits*, Houllier and now McLeish don't seem to agree with that.

[Monty]

I know Monty, it's just Villanation seems to want to discredit his achievements as they were achieved as part of a 'team', in an effort to back up his point.

You're both right though, of course, because in that team and at that time he was clearly able to contribute a lot. Right now, though, I don't think the same applies.

I'm not his biggest fan by any stretch, but I think it's interesting that O'Neill *spits*, Houllier and now McLeish don't seem to agree with that.

True, though it's notable that Heskey was dropped to the bench largely after Bent was bought. It appears that Houllier regarded him as a squad player more than a definite starter.