Hutton & Jenas set to sign.

[KevinGage]

Sturridge was effective for Bolton on loan, as was Wellbeck at Sunderland. Jenas is nowhere near as bad as people are making out, and will be a good addition with no risk. Plays well I reckon he will want to stay.

Well quite. Smallish or unattractive clubs with no real intention (or likelihood) at the start of the season of achieving anything.

Again, decent sides don't rely on loans -or view borrowed players as any way to achieve success.

Though I accept the tag I've applied to Sunderland there probably applies to us at present. Hopefully it's a temporary state of affairs and we get back to some of the more positive aspects of MON's transfer strategy soon -that is buying talented young English players on the up. Rather than stop gaps and short term deals.

[Ads]

Carbone was a good loan and 2000 as a good season, sadly marred at the Cup final.

[Neil Hawkes]

Don't forget Milner was on loan for the first stint with us.

[Ian.]

Bugger me we sign two blokes who can't get near the Spuds first team and all of a sudden they are Cinderella's as opposed to ugly sisters.

NRC was going to make all the difference

Sidwell was going to make all the difference

ireland was going to make all the difference

makoun was going to make all the difference

bannan was going to make all the difference

albrighton was going to make all the difference

Nzog is going to make all the difference


can you see the point??

jenas has been mediocre for years but he arrives at VP and all of a sudden the Aston air hits him and he gets a new lease of life.

Deluded

Well you go off line for a while and when you pop back on somethings never change!

Welcome to Villa Hutton and Jenas, lets hope you get your careers back on track.

[luke25]

Sturridge was effective for Bolton on loan, as was Wellbeck at Sunderland. Jenas is nowhere near as bad as people are making out, and will be a good addition with no risk. Plays well I reckon he will want to stay.

Well quite. Smallish or unattractive clubs with no real intention (or likelihood) at the start of the season of achieving anything.

Again, decent sides don't rely on loans -or view borrowed players as any way to achieve success.

Ibrahimovic pretty much won Milan the league while on loan.

[villadelph]

How are people going to complain about a loan deal?! He's out of contract in two years, so we'll get him this year and see how it plays out.. if in fact he does do well then we buy him at the end of the season, end of. Wouldn't you want to see what you are getting before you purchase it?

The guy obviously has the potential to do well. He has impressed in the past and caught a bad run while at the same club for nearly 6 years. He fell down in the pecking order and now is his chance to show what he can offer to a new manager. Some of you just whine and moan constantly. He's going to score against QPR and Newcastle and everyone will deem him a god-send. Give the guy time before you kick him while he's down. His future with Villa is bright.

[gervilla]

Everyone, calm down, calm down.
Give them both a fair crack of the whip. If they are both a pile of cac kafter 5 or 6 games than so be it but at least give them ago.
Eck can't be judged on  his first 3 games either ,  my only major complaint so far is playing Heskey on the wing but I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt for another few games before I start losing the plot.
Easy now.

[KevinGage]

Don't forget Milner was on loan for the first stint with us.

The season we finished 16th?  Yes.

[KevinGage]

Sturridge was effective for Bolton on loan, as was Wellbeck at Sunderland. Jenas is nowhere near as bad as people are making out, and will be a good addition with no risk. Plays well I reckon he will want to stay.

Well quite. Smallish or unattractive clubs with no real intention (or likelihood) at the start of the season of achieving anything.

Again, decent sides don't rely on loans -or view borrowed players as any way to achieve success.

Ibrahimovic pretty much won Milan the league while on loan.

European sides generally play the loan market smarter, and lack of finance -even for the big Italian sides such as Milan- forces their hand somewhat. 



I don't have a huge problem with the Jenas deal under the current arrangement -as I've said earlier.  I do think as a general rule that sides on the up generally don't resort to loans and short term deals to fill their squads. And I don't think that's a particularly unreasonable viewpoint.  It's not indicative of long term planning for success.


In particular relation to JJ, I would say the irony is he's probably a far better player than Sidwell, NRC and co- players who we signed when we were  actually on the up as a club.

[Daholteend]

I don't understand the negative posts. Hutton is a sound right back who in my view is a better defender than Walker was and in many respects is just as good going forward. Being reunited with McLeish will be great for Hutton and Villa. I watched a number of Spuds CL games last season and thought that Hutton's ability to play the ball forward on the right side was useful.

With Reo-Coker gone we were lacking an experienced midfielder and Jenas fits the bill and will cost less. Yes, he occasionally goes missing in games but that was also said about Hokey, Sidwell and Davis. Jenas has an engine that will help make up for Petrov's late game tiredness.

Jenas is a better technical player than R-C with the added value that Jenas can actually score goals which Sidwell and R-C couldn't while with us. On his day JJ has flair, the challenge for McLeish is going to be to make sure he rebuilds the confidence so that JJ is always on his day at B6. It's not impossible.

After a season on loan, if Jenas fits our team he ought to be available to us for reasonable money. But first things first, let's get him ITSOTP and back to the kind of form that had him in contention for an England spot.

On the whole I think AM did a good piece of work on this pair and we should get behind them both because they will be wearing claret and blue and will likely do better than expected .  Welcome both of them !

[Vanilla]

I don't understand the negative posts. Hutton is a sound right back who in my view is a better defender than Walker was and in many respects is just as good going forward. Being reunited with McLeish will be great for Hutton and Villa. I watched a number of Spuds CL games last season and thought that Hutton's ability to play the ball forward on the right side was useful.

With Reo-Coker gone we were lacking an experienced midfielder and Jenas fits the bill and will cost less. Yes, he occasionally goes missing in games but that was also said about Hokey, Sidwell and Davis. Jenas has an engine that will help make up for Petrov's late game tiredness.

Jenas is a better technical player than R-C with the added value that Jenas can actually score goals which Sidwell and R-C couldn't while with us. On his day JJ has flair, the challenge for McLeish is going to be to make sure he rebuilds the confidence so that JJ is always on his day at B6. It's not impossible.

After a season on loan, if Jenas fits our team he ought to be available to us for reasonable money. But first things first, let's get him ITSOTP and back to the kind of form that had him in contention for an England spot.

On the whole I think AM did a good piece of work on this pair and we should get behind them both because they will be wearing claret and blue and will likely do better than expected .  Welcome both of them !

It may be good business, but the question surely has to be asked why go and get Cole at the last minute, fail, and then get Jenas who is very different player; it does smack of any new bod will do. I hope he kicks on with us though.

I think Villa fans who have expressed disappointment have done so because it must be said, of the 4 players brought in, 3 were squad players for their respective teams. This is even more galling when you consider the England game against Bulgaria where Young, Downing, Barry and Milner featured prominently. 

[Daholteend]

Well let's say then that it is Plan B or maybe even C good business

I happen to think that Joe Cole would probably have been too expensive for Villa at this time and also two years older than Jenas. IIRC Cole is on loan to Lille from 'The Mighty Reds YNWA' and you have to ask why Dalglish is letting Cole go. I happen to think that Cole has not been at his best since he came back from the 2006 World Cup with a stress fracture to his big toe.

My gut feeling is that Cole may have been an expensive bust for us and in reality the upside for JJ may be higher. We will see.

We will never be privy to all the targets that Prem Managers have in their sights. I am glad that McLeish, having missed out on Cole for whatever reason, was still able to put together a deal for JJ. We aren't exactly blessed with experienced midfielders. With the exit of R-C and Makoun, we were seriously short. Two injuries to key players would have been putting a lot of pressure on the whole team. We know that Jenas could do a job.  The risk factor with him isn't high.

This way gives Delph and Bannan both an opportunity to blend into the first team without the pressure of being McLeish's only options. JJ was known at Spurs to be willing to mentor  the younger players so there is good reason for AM to have him at BMH.

[LeeB]

Don't forget Milner was on loan for the first stint with us.

The season we finished 16th?  Yes.

Without him we'd have sunk.

[john e]

Considering nearly everyone leaves it to the last minuet to do deals, they might as well make the transfer window just one day, 24 hours to get your deals done then that's it
I'tl stop managers sitting on there hands for weeks doing nothing only to go into panic mode on the last day, just start with the last day

There problem solved ,  next

[hawkeye]

Considering nearly everyone leaves it to the last minuet to do deals, they might as well make the transfer window just one day, 24 hours to get your deals done then that's it
I'tl stop managers sitting on there hands for weeks doing nothing only to go into panic mode on the last day, just start with the last day

There problem solved ,  next

It would also stop those wankers on sky hupeing up the whole fkin thing