Aston Villa v Wolves post-match thread

[myf]

Maybe.  But it seems to have become moaning for moanings sake and some ppl just want to see McLeish fail.  RAdio WM was unbelievable this afternoon.  I'm dreading the fallout after we lose our first game!

I can understand fans skipping the game for financial reasons and the uncompetitiveness of football in general - I'm one of them - but I can't abide with ppl turning their back on the club due to Randy's revised "expectations".  Fickle IMO.

I don't think there's any moaning for moaning's sake.  I think the alarming and rapid decline in the club's ability to compete and, even worse, apparent desire to compete are more than sufficient grounds for concern and complaint.  If by "fickle" you mean unwillingness to keep going when things get tough, then isn't that a charge that could also be levelled at the board?

"desire" is different to "ability".  Randy has shown desire to compete over the past 5 years but is probably questioning whether he is now able to push on financially with the likes of Man City ruining the game.

The past two home crowds have shown that a lot of fans haven't renewed.  A lot of them will be because we have employed a former Blues manager.  Thats fickle IMO.  The moaning about his tactics etc. after 3 games (which we haven't lost in) is frankly a joke.

[hilts_coolerking]

"desire" is different to "ability".  Randy has shown desire to compete over the past 5 years but is probably questioning whether he is now able to push on financially with the likes of Man City ruining the game.

The past two home crowds have shown that a lot of fans haven't renewed.  A lot of them will be because we have employed a former Blues manager.  Thats fickle IMO.  The moaning about his tactics etc. after 3 games (which we haven't lost in) is frankly a joke.

There's a difference between not being able to compete with Man City and giving up completely.  Whatever desire Randy had over the last five years has been replaced by an aparent desire to save money above all other considerations.

Personally I think the 'former Blose manager' thing is a convenient smokescreen.  I suspect the two main reasons why people haven't renewed (economic climate notwithstanding) are Lerner's cost-cutting and McLeish's entirely deserved reputation (over his entire career, not 3 games) for playing mediocre football.

If Lerner's given up the ghost, you can't expect the fans not to.

[tepavilla]

Don't know if it's already been discussed but to me N'Z looks a bit overweight 

[olaftab]

N'Z is  little Heskey!

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[Lowendbehold]

N'Zogbia will never replace either of them because he hasn't got their work ethic.

N'Zogbia hasnt got the work ethic of the lazy non-tackling Downing?

No he hasn't.  Downing works far harder, he may not be too keen to put his foot into a 50/50 challenge but he chases back and gets goal side far more than N'Zogbia seems to.

[hawkeye]

Bannan looks promising I agree but to declare him as the clubs most talented player is simply ridiculous.

Ridiculous? so who is more talented? Maybe Ireland and that is it

[Brend'Watkins]

N'Zogbia will never replace either of them because he hasn't got their work ethic.

N'Zogbia hasnt got the work ethic of the lazy non-tackling Downing?

No he hasn't.  Downing works far harder, he may not be too keen to put his foot into a 50/50 challenge but he chases back and gets goal side far more than N'Zogbia seems to.

N'Zog has had just 3 games for us.  How many did Downing have before he put in anything like a decent performance? 

Give the guy a chance to get to know his team mates and the system and we will see him improve. 

[Lowendbehold]

N'Zogbia will never replace either of them because he hasn't got their work ethic.

N'Zogbia hasnt got the work ethic of the lazy non-tackling Downing?

No he hasn't.  Downing works far harder, he may not be too keen to put his foot into a 50/50 challenge but he chases back and gets goal side far more than N'Zogbia seems to.

N'Zog has had just 3 games for us.  How many did Downing have before he put in anything like a decent performance? 

Give the guy a chance to get to know his team mates and the system and we will see him improve. 

Yeh maybe, but Downing had a higher work rate when he first came to us, after being out for some months.  Hopefully N'Zog will improve but he just doesn't seem to have the same work ethic.

[hawkeye]

I would have Nzog over that wimp Downing,

[Greg N'Ash]

N'zogbia always disappears in games and does very little. Basically he's a lazy bastard. thats his m.o. You watch, he'll be unplayable in a few weeks time and then return to normal service. This "he's like a cheaper Young" myth is about as credible as the "Sidwell is the new lampard guff" on this board a few years back when we signed him.

[Lizz]

I was convinced that if we'd been awarded a penalty today, it would have been saved or missed.

[brice jovial]

I realise people basing nzogbia on the moments so far.
Well hes not up to macth fitness not having a complete pre season because of injury
he getting up to speed and will show his worth. His work ethic is no question great athelete imho.
Nzogbia will be hoping to be involved against romainia and albaina over the coming weeks

[Lizz]

Just remembered I saw Ian Taylor and a teenage boy who is presumably his son, just before the game. I was tempted to ask for his autograph or a photograph, but chickened out.

[Risso]

Don't know if it's already been discussed but to me N'Z looks a bit overweight 

I'm disappointed with him so far.  Nowhere near in the class of Downing or Young I'm afraid.

[villan1975]

Don't know if it's already been discussed but to me N'Z looks a bit overweight 

I'm disappointed with him so far.  Nowhere near in the class of Downing or Young I'm afraid.

Thought he got stronger as the game went on ,though as others have said he should'nt be as sluggish and lacking sharpness as he is.