Jean II Makoun loaned to Olympiakos

[ktvillan]

Still baffled at all these "didn't fit in" and too lightweight comments. He did more in his few games than petrov did in his first two years.  And looked a much better player than petrov has for the last two years as well.  Seems that if a player doesn't come in and perform miracles inhis first few games he's not up to it. I swear some of you couldn't spot a decent footballer if messi were squatting on you face.

[Chris Jameson]

I swear some of you couldn't spot a decent footballer if messi were squatting on you face.

I'll bow to your far superior knowledge but from what I saw of him i'd class him as either 'so what' or 'not very good'. I've never heard of Messi, he sounds dangerously foreign to me.

[Risso]

Still baffled at all these "didn't fit in" and too lightweight comments. He did more in his few games than petrov did in his first two years.  And looked a much better player than petrov has for the last two years as well.  Seems that if a player doesn't come in and perform miracles inhis first few games he's not up to it. I swear some of you couldn't spot a decent footballer if messi were squatting on you face.

Well the man who bought him didn't fancy him, McAllister didn't, and now neither has McLeish.  Whatever you think about other fans' perceptions of footballers, three managers haven't rated him, and I agree with them.

[PeterWithe]

I'm sorry to see him go, he rarely gave the ball away and always kept us moving along with short passes rather than unnecessary dribbling. A very good player to have when protecting a lead.

[KevinGage]

Dunno about the last part PW, but I did like his range of passing, especially early on.

He could play the simple pass, but he also had that awareness (and technique)  to go for the less obvious ball at times. I don't know whether his tackling was just rusty as he needed to be brought upto speed with the game in the UK, or whether it was always going to limit his chances here.

Who knows, he might be back and we might get a chance to find out.  Twelve months is a long time in football, no guarantee that the same manager will be in place et.c if/when he returns.

[Chris Smith]

He's a decent player but in a climate where we need to do a bit of horse trading to strengthen the squad he is expendable. We need players to do a job immediately while Bannan etc find their feet.

[Pat McMahon]

Still baffled at all these "didn't fit in" and too lightweight comments. He did more in his few games than petrov did in his first two years.  And looked a much better player than petrov has for the last two years as well.  Seems that if a player doesn't come in and perform miracles inhis first few games he's not up to it. I swear some of you couldn't spot a decent footballer if messi were squatting on you face.

Well the man who bought him didn't fancy him, McAllister didn't, and now neither has McLeish.  Whatever you think about other fans' perceptions of footballers, three managers haven't rated him, and I agree with them.

I have seen little of Makoun but observed somebody who was tidy on the ball and kept possession well, but was not an obvious "ball player" in the sense of having the ability to split a  defence. Plenty of energy and the ability to mis-time a tackle too, but frankly not enough to judge him on - reminded me of Matthieu Berson, who seemed ok but never got enough playing time. Maybe we are not suited to this type of player. or, as Risso says, 3 managers have not seen fit to select him so maybe Makoun is simply not good enough.

Risso, your arguments re Makoun could apply to Emilio too - MON, Sven, Houllier, Capelo and er, Steve Bruce have all seen something that the man on the terraces manages to merely glimpse.

[saunders_heroes]

Still baffled at all these "didn't fit in" and too lightweight comments. He did more in his few games than petrov did in his first two years.  And looked a much better player than petrov has for the last two years as well.  Seems that if a player doesn't come in and perform miracles inhis first few games he's not up to it. I swear some of you couldn't spot a decent footballer if messi were squatting on you face.

What utter garbage. Makoun has contributed absolutely nothing to the Villa cause and has been a complete waste of £6m. He isn't fit to lace Petrov's boots.

[nick harper]

I find it a bit depressing that we can't find space in a squad for a player who is comfortable in posession and didn't often give the ball away. He could also play through balls to good effect including one to Bent that resulted in an incorrectly disallowed goal (can't remember against whom) and one to Young against Wolves that he hit off the underside of the bar.

Players need time to settle and some are given longer than others. I enjoyed watching him play hope it works out for him in Greece.

At least one of our players will be in the Champs League.

[Mazrim]

For what it's worth I think Makoun cost just over £4m.

[Risso]

Risso, your arguments re Makoun could apply to Emilio too - MON, Sven, Houllier, Capelo and er, Steve Bruce have all seen something that the man on the terraces manages to merely glimpse.

True, I acknowledge that he brings a certain something to the table, but in my opinion, that's not enough to make up for his lack of goals.  At the time we bought him, he wasn't what we needed.

[Merv]

I find it a bit depressing that we can't find space in a squad for a player who is comfortable in possession and didn't often give the ball away.

Yes. As if a midfielder who's good on the ball and has a touch of class about him is a luxury player who we can't afford to 'risk' playing. He's not an 18-year-old fresh from Brazil - a seasoned international with a half-century of international caps and a pedigree of Champions League football. As I posted earlier, I'm really disappointed. I expected him to flourish alongside Delph this season, but he hasn't been given the chance.

I'd have moved Petrov on, used the fee and wages to sign the new midfielder. But I suppose there would have been few takers, whereas we've had no difficulty moving Makoun on. Which says something to me.

Oh, well.

[SoccerHQ]

I called his one about 6-8 weeks ago. He is Houlliers man, and not settled as we would have hoped. Good player for sure, but worried he will get sent off before 60 minutes every week! McLeish on Sporting life is quoted as saying that it is possible that he will go but not without someone else coming in too.

Tbf i worry Delph is going to get sent off every game the way he tackles.

Disappointed we haven't kept Makoun, I just thought with him it would be the usual case of foriegn player taking 6 months to get up to speed.

Leaves us woefully short in central midfield though. Stan will be knackered by xmas starting every week, I think Delph's been booked in every game this season so I can see him getting a few suspensions this year and that leaves us with Bannan and Ireland with Ireland unreliable and someone who can't play in a central two imo.

Can see Clark playing a fair bit in central midfield again.

[Risso]

I think what it boils down to, is that the midfielders we have are all better than Makoun.  I'd much rather see Bannan in the team for a start, even Ireland.

[Walmley_Villa]

Watching Jean Deux v Hereford I thought he looked very average. It was an opportunity for him to shine and take his chance but he didn't. I expect he hasn' had time to settle in the UK or the PL and the fact that all of our coaches don't start him - GH, GM or AM probablay says more about the player than anything else. If it has freed up wages to bring somebody else in then fine.