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Online PaulWinch again

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Re: Rugby World Cup
« Reply #195 on: October 08, 2011, 10:40:03 AM »
We have the players to play an expansive game, that's how to improve as shown last autumn.

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Re: Rugby World Cup
« Reply #196 on: October 08, 2011, 10:42:05 AM »
The performance was summed up in the first few minutes: great position and Thompson puts the line-out throw into French hands.

The best team won - and probably a good thing. I could envisage on present form the Welsh slaughtering England.

Changes needed.  As is so often the case in sport, in Johnson the RFU have fallen into the trap of appointing a great player and inspirational captain with no track record of coaching.  I think he's shown himself out of the depth: cold stares and thumping the desk in the coaching box doesn't make a great tactician.

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Re: Rugby World Cup
« Reply #197 on: October 08, 2011, 10:42:54 AM »
Johnson is talking nonsense, all this spirit to come back. The point is you shouldn't have to come back, if you don't start you're fucked.

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Re: Rugby World Cup
« Reply #198 on: October 08, 2011, 10:45:11 AM »
Well we are out and we deserve to be out.  I guess I was hoping against hope that despite the turgid performances up until  now that England would break out and make use of the many talented players they have.

The slight improvement in the second half in no way compensates for the unbelievably pathetic first half. 

Johnson and the England coaching set up have bought this upon themselves.  They were shown in the game against Australia last autumn, and for a lot of the six nations, how much potential England had to play an ambitious, width based game.  Instead they choose the safe option.  Johnson also put a couple of his mates in the team, despite neither being close to good enough in the twilight of their careers.  Surely England have to move away from Wilkinson and Thompson now, it was no coincidence that there was more urgency and dynamism without them on the pitch.

As much as I respect Johnson, and admire him for what he achieved as a player and captain, he simply does not cut it as a coach.  His tenure started poorly, had a really bright spell which he failed to build on, and has now returned to poor. 

Time to go.

Spot on. Dreadful decision making today and all tournament for me. Amazing to leave Haskell out when he has been one of our best players and to persist with Wilkinson when he provides so little attacking dynamic. His penalty kicks to touch were awful today, gaining almost no ground at all, and just one symptom of the huge decline in his all round game. Add in the disciplinary issues and I don't think Johnson has got what it takes. Wales vs France will be a cracker of a semi as, unlike England, we shall see some free flowing, exciting, attacking rugby...

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Re: Rugby World Cup
« Reply #199 on: October 08, 2011, 12:12:13 PM »
Wales' opening score was the try of the tournament for me.

As for England. I hope that's the last we see of Thompson and Wilkinson. Johnno should go as well, just for leaving Haskell out of the line up

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Re: Rugby World Cup
« Reply #200 on: October 08, 2011, 12:14:23 PM »
Moody has to go as well, Wood should have been in front of him anyway.

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Re: Rugby World Cup
« Reply #201 on: October 08, 2011, 01:14:40 PM »
Arrogance and complacency played a big part today. Some players were talking about winning the game in the first 15-20 minutes beforehand. Well, that happened, but it went the other way. France are an average side and Wales will hammer them.

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Re: Rugby World Cup
« Reply #202 on: October 08, 2011, 01:31:49 PM »
Well we are out and we deserve to be out.  I guess I was hoping against hope that despite the turgid performances up until  now that England would break out and make use of the many talented players they have.

The slight improvement in the second half in no way compensates for the unbelievably pathetic first half. 




Johnson and the England coaching set up have bought this upon themselves.  They were shown in the game against Australia last autumn, and for a lot of the six nations, how much potential England had to play an ambitious, width based game.  Instead they choose the safe option.  Johnson also put a couple of his mates in the team, despite neither being close to good enough in the twilight of their careers.  Surely England have to move away from Wilkinson and Thompson now, it was no coincidence that there was more urgency and dynamism without them on the pitch.

As much as I respect Johnson, and admire him for what he achieved as a player and captain, he simply does not cut it as a coach.  His tenure started poorly, had a really bright spell which he failed to build on, and has now returned to poor. 

Time to go.

Spot on. Dreadful decision making today and all tournament for me. Amazing to leave Haskell out when he has been one of our best players and to persist with Wilkinson when he provides so little attacking dynamic. His penalty kicks to touch were awful today, gaining almost no ground at all, and just one symptom of the huge decline in his all round game. Add in the disciplinary issues and I don't think Johnson has got what it takes. Wales vs France will be a cracker of a semi as, unlike England, we shall see some free flowing, exciting, attacking rugby...


Yeah can't disagree with much here at all.  Was speaking to my Welsh Father, god that's hard work at the moment and he was saying there was a total lack of leadership out there today and contrasted it to Warburton with Wales.   Can't disagree to be honest, it's been a disaster on and off the field from start to finish and I was hoping we could somehow galvanise ourselves for the knockout stages.    In the cold light of day though, it just ain't been good enough !!.

Got immense respect for Johnno as a player but his reign has been a poor tenure and I just can't see any plan other than bish, bash, bosh.  His selection of the bench for instance was insane, 5 forwards and 2 backs, one of whom is a converted 2nd row to wing, it left him with nowhere to go for me.  Not picking a fourth centre was stupid.    As has been said above, we showed in the Autumn and early in the 6 nations how we could progress by playing open and attacking and attractive Rugby.   From memory, we battered Wales in Cardiff and the scoreline flattered them.  Look at the difference now?

He has just been so conservative with his selections and choice of coaches and game plan that he doesn't realise how much Rugby has moved on.    We have some really talented players in this country, but it seems that when they get to the full team they get all of the flair coached out of them.    Richard said above about Youngs, how good was he when he came in just over a year ago?.  Quick taps, tempo, ball away from the rucks/mauls quickly, attacking from our own 22.   What happens now?.   He taps and goes once today and hey presto, Foden scores.   10 mins later, he is hooked for feckin Wigglesworth???.

I think a massive problem in this country is we don't trust flair, in all sports.   Rugby, look at players like Simpson-Daniel, Cipriani, Geraghty, Sharples, Monye, Ojo etc etc, all of whom have been tried and given less than 12 games and binned.   We get players like Banahan going and its a complete farce.

I'm afraid Johnno has to go now and take his awful coaches, with the exception of Rowntree with him and lets get Mallinder in from Northampton or Toby Booth.  Coaches who have done their time and understand coaching and not someone straight from playing and into the National job.  Problem is, the RFU is in such strife that I don't know who can make that decision.

Not happy :-(

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Re: Rugby World Cup
« Reply #203 on: October 08, 2011, 10:34:51 PM »
Deadspin's guide to the RWC QFs

http://deadspin.com/sin-bin/


Good to see that their opinion of Steve Thompson is as low as mine.....

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Feel free to hate Steve Thompson, too, even though he has come back from what was thought to be a career-ending neck injury. Whatever. He's still a dick. If anyone in a French jersey is throwing punches, he's probably throwing them at Thompson. And Thompson definitely deserves them. Also, his lineout throws are an abomination to the hooker's arts.

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Re: Rugby World Cup
« Reply #204 on: October 08, 2011, 10:52:06 PM »
Oh dear, I knew it would be bad after our first line out when we put it right in their corner and the we lost the ball, it happened far too often and our decision making and passing was awful. I haven't seen much rugby as I now live in Canada but that flood wasn't up to much. Well I can delete the app of my phone now!

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Re: Rugby World Cup
« Reply #205 on: October 10, 2011, 06:11:33 PM »
Bag of shit. Lack of attacking flair. The French would have shit a brick at Sinbad coming off the bench with 25 to go. We brought on Banahan.

At least that should be the end of Wilkinson. Sharples should be in for Cueto and I wouldn't mind an aggressive pisshead like Narraway back in the pack either.

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Re: Rugby World Cup
« Reply #206 on: October 13, 2011, 05:38:18 PM »
Fran Cotton appraisal of Johnson's performance doesn't bode well for him.

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Re: Rugby World Cup
« Reply #207 on: October 14, 2011, 02:10:30 PM »

I'm afraid Johnno has to go now and take his awful coaches, with the exception of Rowntree with him and lets get Mallinder in from Northampton or Toby Booth.  Coaches who have done their time and understand coaching and not someone straight from playing and into the National job.  Problem is, the RFU is in such strife that I don't know who can make that decision.

As a Saints fan I would loathe to lose Mallinder but Northampton do play decent rugby (even if they did bin Geraghty), using the likes of Foden and Ashton in a way that seemed so foreign to England.

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« Reply #208 on: October 15, 2011, 09:24:18 AM »
What a bollocks sending off.

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Re: Rugby World Cup
« Reply #209 on: October 15, 2011, 09:32:07 AM »
It was a yellow definitely, but red was mental.

 


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