We're a selling club

[hilts_coolerking]

If we get N'Zog and allow Albrighton an extended run we'll be no worse off, plus the emerging talent of Delph, the enigma that is Makoun, maybe we'll have Parker pulling the strings, the possibility of Gabby and Bent forming a relationship up front....

Yeah, you're right, it's all shit, might as well give up now.

If ... maybe ... possibility

Yeah you're right, it's nailed on, might as well hand us the trophies now.

[Dave Cooper please]

If we get N'Zog and allow Albrighton an extended run we'll be no worse off, plus the emerging talent of Delph, the enigma that is Makoun, maybe we'll have Parker pulling the strings, the possibility of Gabby and Bent forming a relationship up front....

Yeah, you're right, it's all shit, might as well give up now.

If ... maybe ... possibility

Yeah you're right, it's nailed on, might as well hand us the trophies now.

I would rather be if...maybe...possibly we'll do well, than if...maybe...possibly we're fucked.

[hilts_coolerking]

I would rather be if...maybe...possibly we'll do well, than if...maybe...possibly we're fucked.

If you interpret my opinion as "we're fucked" then you've misinterpreted it.

[Dave Cooper please]

And if you interpret my optimism as "might as well hand us the trophies now." so have you.

I'm just saying that I'd rather look forward to the season with some hope rather than giving up now and whining about how shit everything is all the fucking time.
Not saying that you do this, but you know, it's the impression you and your fellow miserablists give.

[Eigentor]

Considering that we walk into the season with a manager that wins trophies and relegates his team in the same season, and with numerous players that inexplicably alternate between impressive and shocking performances, I can understand both the optimists and pessimists.

[Percy McCarthy]

Perhaps I should have said 'I generally agree with him and I'm grateful that he keeps posting about this stuff and putting up with the brick-bats from his detractors because they'd have tired me out by now'.

I think it's more to do with you age, Grandad. (winky)

I think it's a combination of my age and having a stunning young wife. Had a bit of a rest recently though as she is almost permanently up the duff.(winky).

[Percy McCarthy]

Considering that we walk into the season with a manager that wins trophies and relegates his team in the same season, and with numerous players that inexplicably alternate between impressive and shocking performances, I can understand both the optimists and pessimists.

As I switch between optimism and pessimism on a daily basis at the moment, I'm certainly with you there.

[Toronto Villa]

Considering that we walk into the season with a manager that wins trophies and relegates his team in the same season, and with numerous players that inexplicably alternate between impressive and shocking performances, I can understand both the optimists and pessimists.

I think the optimists are cautious optimists that would rather wait and see what transpires.

The pessmists are just pessimists that have essentially given up on the season, or if they haven't yet, they are very close. Mainly because of the manager we've hired, concentrating on just the negative elements of record, and on the players we've sold, without at least waiting to see if we buy anyone. It would be an achievement if they could say their glasses were half empty. It's much lower than that.

[Eigentor]

Considering that we walk into the season with a manager that wins trophies and relegates his team in the same season, and with numerous players that inexplicably alternate between impressive and shocking performances, I can understand both the optimists and pessimists.

I think the optimists are cautious optimists that would rather wait and see what transpires.

The pessmists are just pessimists that have essentially given up on the season, or if they haven't yet, they are very close. Mainly because of the manager we've hired, concentrating on just the negative elements of record, and on the players we've sold, without at least waiting to see if we buy anyone. It would be an achievement if they could say their glasses were half empty. It's much lower than that.

I think the appointment of McLeish is the main reason for pessimism, and that the sales of Young and Downing have merely added to that. While Houllier's appointment was hardly met by universal approval, it was accompanied by a rationale that we were still aiming for success, not through (big) investment, but by talent development and clever bargain-shopping abroad. However, to many, the appointment of McLeish has signaled that we are now longer trying to be successful, but have resigned ourselves to make up the numbers.

[villa `cross the mersey]

Considering that we walk into the season with a manager that wins trophies and relegates his team in the same season, and with numerous players that inexplicably alternate between impressive and shocking performances, I can understand both the optimists and pessimists.

I think the optimists are cautious optimists that would rather wait and see what transpires.

The pessmists are just pessimists that have essentially given up on the season, or if they haven't yet, they are very close. Mainly because of the manager we've hired, concentrating on just the negative elements of record, and on the players we've sold, without at least waiting to see if we buy anyone. It would be an achievement if they could say their glasses were half empty. It's much lower than that.

I used to be indecisive but now I am not so sure .................

[hawkeye]

I am not optomistic about the season ahead, but maybe just maybe a few decent signings and a decent start we might just have something to build on. I would not have chosen Mcleish purely because of the negative football he plays, he might surprise us. I hope the decision by RL signals his intent to rebuild the foundations of the squad that will progress over the next couple of seasons.

[hilts_coolerking]

I think the optimists are cautious optimists that would rather wait and see what transpires.

Pay no attention to the saccharine ramblings of those who would proclaim a nuclear attack on Villa Park to be a welcome opportunity to rebuild.

[Ian.]

I think the optimists are cautious optimists that would rather wait and see what transpires.

Pay no attention to the saccharine ramblings of those who would proclaim a nuclear attack on Villa Park to be a welcome opportunity to rebuild.

Wouldn't it be though?

[Ian.]

Maybe I should be adding a winky thing.

[Risso]

Considering that we walk into the season with a manager that wins trophies and relegates his team in the same season, and with numerous players that inexplicably alternate between impressive and shocking performances, I can understand both the optimists and pessimists.

I think the optimists are cautious optimists that would rather wait and see what transpires.

What has transpired is that we have appointed Alex McLeish, and sold Young and Downing.