McLeish meets fans - notes from MM...

[midnite]

If we can get him out by xmas I would consider that a result.

For that to happen would mean the club is in or around the relegation zone. I cant believe you would want the club that you support to be doing so badly just to get rid of a manager. That just doesn't make sense. Why would you want that? What happened to the club being bigger than any one man?

[Ross]

It will give us the opportunity to employ a proper manager.

4-4-2 with Gabby up front?  . Please.

You're not even trying at this trolling lark are you?  MUST DO BETTER.

[Ger Regan]

For that to happen would mean the club is in or around the relegation zone. I cant believe you would want the club that you support to be doing so badly just to get rid of a manager. That just doesn't make sense. Why would you want that? What happened to the club being bigger than any one man?

Don't forget that there were certain individuals on here who wanted us to lose to the blues if it meant Houllier was gone.

[Greg N'Ash]

Why would people who hate McLeish turn up the games if they're just going to shout abuse at him?

It's happened with, I would imagine, every manager of the last good number of years, so it's going to happen to him. Managers don't get sacked when a few youths start throwing abuse, they get sacked when they lose the popular support of fans of all ages, not just the young ones. When was the last villa manager to actually be sacked as a result of fan pressure?

And speak for yourself greg when you talk about mid 30's! winky thing.

He's going to do other fan's forums, given time, and ones that will be able to draw on a wider fan base. I really fail to see why you're on such a downer with this, other than you being contrary for the sake of it. Perish the thought!

heh. mebbe, but i don't think speaking to a couple of knowledgeable fanzine editors (Well 1........ Probably.) of a certain age is going to make the rank and file change their mind one way or the other and certainly not the ones who will probably be on his back from kick-off. To be fair if they did have an open day Q & A at villa park it still wouldnt make much difference, but i think his detractors will view this as a cynical PR ploy as our CAPLOCKED FRIEND HAS HINTED.

[The Situation]

A true troll...

[McleishOUT]

Sometimes short-term pain is required for long-term gain. Even the bluenoses have a better manager than us! Nothing against the man as a person, everything against him as a manager.

[rob_bridge]

If we can get him out by xmas I would consider that a result.

Well good for you. I'd consider it a sign that the appointment didn't work and would consider that a failure myself. I guess we have different views on what constitutes supporting the club.

Yep abput sums it up and if we get him out then there are broader systematic problems with Villa. Either way it is why I have a low opinion of Faulkner. The way he (as CE) has handled both appointments has been shocking.

We are where we are and I doubt he will be worse than the appointments in 1984 1986 or 1990 or 2002 or 2010

[midnite]

For that to happen would mean the club is in or around the relegation zone. I cant believe you would want the club that you support to be doing so badly just to get rid of a manager. That just doesn't make sense. Why would you want that? What happened to the club being bigger than any one man?

Don't forget that there were certain individuals on here who wanted us to lose to the blues if it meant Houllier was gone.

True.
 I can remember, being in such a rage after the Sunderland match. Thinking Houllier had lost it completely, I wanted him out that night. But when the anger subsides and you find out he is still the manager, you turn up to the next game and get on with supporting the team. I cant imagine wanting to deliberately see my team lose a match just in the hope it forces the board to fire the manager or for him to leave. It just doesnt make sense

[Ger Regan]

heh. mebbe, but i don't think speaking to a couple of knowledgeable fanzine editors (Well 1........ Probably.) of a certain age is going to make the rank and file change their mind one way or the other and certainly not the ones who will probably be on his back from kick-off. To be fair if they did have an open day Q & A at villa park it still wouldnt make much difference, but i think his detractors will view this as a cynical PR ploy as our CAPLOCKED FRIEND HAS HINTED.

But again, it's not the ones who will never accept him that will be the problem, as, no matter how vocal they are, there'll only be a few of them. If anything, them abusing him from the off will galvanise support of him from the more moderate fans. It's convincing the unsure fans that he deserves a chance that's important, and this sort of thing, along with fans forums that you refer to no doubt help that.

But again, when was the last time that fan power alone got rid of a villa manager? Genuine question as I can't think of one in my lifetime as a fan.

[Steve67]

Sometimes short-term pain is required for long-term gain. Even the bluenoses have a better manager than us! Nothing against the man as a person, everything against him as a manager.

Chris Hughton was harshly treated by the barcodes, granted, but he has only managed in the Premier League for a total of what? Five months, until Pardew came in.  He spent the previous season in the Championship, albeit getting Newcastle promoted, I should think so too with the quality they have in that side.  I cannot understand why some Villa fans wanted a man who has just five months experience of managing in the Prem, to manage us.  Ridiculous.  McLeish IN!!

[McleishOUT]

He had an outstanding team at Newcastle before he left. A lot of people got a beating from them including us. I'd rather have up and coming than someone who's premiership experience is basically how to get relegated from it.

[Dave Cooper please]

Hang on, let me try to understand this.

There are Villa fans on here who actually want Villa to lose most of our games in the early part of the season?

And if we don't lose most of our games and are doing well they won't be happy because that will mean the manager who is in charge of this winning team will stay in charge?

But it's not all about him being an ex-Blues manager right?

[Ger Regan]

Hang on, let me try to understand this.

There are Villa fans on here who actually want Villa to lose most of our games in the early part of the season?

And if we don't lose most of our games and are doing well they won't be happy because that will mean the manager who is in charge of this winning team will stay in charge?

But it's not all about him being an ex-Blues manager right?

But he's shit dave, the gods have spoken already. Have you not heard?

[gervilla]

The mentality of some people on here really beggar belief.
He's our manager, give it a go, get behind the team, the manager and the club and at least lets try and head into the new season with some bit of optimism.

[Greg N'Ash]

heh. mebbe, but i don't think speaking to a couple of knowledgeable fanzine editors (Well 1........ Probably.) of a certain age is going to make the rank and file change their mind one way or the other and certainly not the ones who will probably be on his back from kick-off. To be fair if they did have an open day Q & A at villa park it still wouldnt make much difference, but i think his detractors will view this as a cynical PR ploy as our CAPLOCKED FRIEND HAS HINTED.

But again, it's not the ones who will never accept him that will be the problem, as, no matter how vocal they are, there'll only be a few of them. If anything, them abusing him from the off will galvanise support of him from the more moderate fans. It's convincing the unsure fans that he deserves a chance that's important, and this sort of thing, along with fans forums that you refer to no doubt help that.

But again, when was the last time that fan power alone got rid of a villa manager? Genuine question as I can't think of one in my lifetime as a fan.

The answer is none i can think of, but i think you're underestimating the amount of fans that don't want him at all. Its a minority but not much of one, then there's those of us who will give him a chance but won't need much to change our mind. I think AM realises this even if the club don't, hence this PR stunt. Its all gonna come down to results i'm afraid. Get us up the top by Christmas and he may win over some of the doubters. Dragging along the bottom and it will be a car crash.