Alex McLeish confirmed as manager

[hilts_coolerking]

Possibly those two and "I want somebody who is hungry to prove themselves and who doesn't think they're bigger than the club".

Which could mean "is ambitious but not that ambitious".  Whatever criteria we used this time, next time I'd like us to go for the very best we can possibly get.  Until we do, the progress we make, assuming we make any, is likely to be minimal.

[Rigadon]

I lasted about 4 minutes through his press conference. Sorry.

No need to apologise.  It's all a load of bollocks really and if you're over 20 (I'm 36) you will have seen this parade a few times and realised it's just a PR exercise.

[Legion]

I lasted about 4 minutes through his press conference. Sorry.

No need to apologise.  It's all a load of bollocks really and if you're over 20 (I'm 36) you will have seen this parade a few times and realised it's just a PR exercise.

I'm 40. Thanks. I agree.

[Rigadon]

I lasted about 4 minutes through his press conference. Sorry.

No need to apologise.  It's all a load of bollocks really and if you're over 20 (I'm 36) you will have seen this parade a few times and realised it's just a PR exercise.

I'm 40. Thanks. I agree.

I thought as much Legion.  The cynicism is a dead give away.

[Karlos96]

I lasted about 4 minutes through his press conference. Sorry.

No need to apologise.  It's all a load of bollocks really and if you're over 20 (I'm 36) you will have seen this parade a few times and realised it's just a PR exercise.

I'm 40. Thanks. I agree.

I thought as much Legion.  The cynicism is a dead give away.

I haven't even bothered watching it heard it all before.

[Brian Taylor]

It is all semantics now. I don't expect an awful lot. Good cup runs and middle to upper end of table. Any less is unacceptable.
I don't like it but this is The Villa and we, the fans, are stuck with it.
Villa Boas cost £12.5m and we pay £7m for McLeish...great stuff..shheesh. I hope he is at least half as good!
This is The Villa we're talking about!

Where have you got the £7m figure from?

As it stands we haven't paid a penny as he resigned and s claiming constructive dismissal. They are claiming £5.4m but he appears to have a strong case.

Villa compensation bill reaches £7m 
expressandstar.com - ‎Jun 20, 2011‎
Alex McLeish will be unveiled as the club's new manager today, with Villa still locked in a cash row with Birmingham over how much the Scot will cost. The former Glasgow Rangers chief made the controversial switch to Villa Park on Friday and Blues are ...

It was mentioned elsewhere in major Daily's...
As you say he may get 'constructive dismissal' just like MON's unspecified award.
Still if you want the best you gotta pay..Villa Boas was never a realistic target for us...and we definitely do not have Chelsea's oil funds to call on, or their chairman.
We'll end up with half the Scottish National team, rather than the Portugese/Brazilian etc and they'll have to be acceptable..as long as it does not include the goalie.

[DeKuip]

The worrying thing for me is that McLeish was unable to arrest the post-League Cup slide and didn't even attempt to change their style at a time when wins were clearly needed and his Plan A wasn't working.  It's one thing to argue that circumstances weren't in his favour, which they may or may not have been, but he manifestly wasn't getting the best out of his players when he most needed to.

Exactly like MON after our League Cup final. Come to think of it, just like MON after Feb every  season!

In 1994 we picked up just 8pts from 27 available after winning the League Cup, and in 1996 7pts from 21. Small Heath took 9pts from 36 in their 12 league games after Wembley and even Arsenal managed just three points more in their 12.

It's a common theme with League Cup winners that once they've peaked they drop away, although the likes of ManU and Chelsea have been able to keep their seasons going afterwards, probably as they don't see the League Cup as being such a big deal.

[DeKuip]

It is all semantics now. I don't expect an awful lot. Good cup runs and middle to upper end of table. Any less is unacceptable.
I don't like it but this is The Villa and we, the fans, are stuck with it.
Villa Boas cost £12.5m and we pay £7m for McLeish...great stuff..shheesh. I hope he is at least half as good!
This is The Villa we're talking about!

Where have you got the £7m figure from?

As it stands we haven't paid a penny as he resigned and s claiming constructive dismissal. They are claiming £5.4m but he appears to have a strong case.

Villa compensation bill reaches £7m 
expressandstar.com - ‎Jun 20, 2011‎
Alex McLeish will be unveiled as the club's new manager today, with Villa still locked in a cash row with Birmingham over how much the Scot will cost. The former Glasgow Rangers chief made the controversial switch to Villa Park on Friday and Blues are ...

It was mentioned elsewhere in major Daily's...
As you say he may get 'constructive dismissal' just like MON's unspecified award.
Still if you want the best you gotta pay..Villa Boas was never a realistic target for us...and we definitely do not have Chelsea's oil funds to call on, or their chairman.
We'll end up with half the Scottish National team, rather than the Portugese/Brazilian etc and they'll have to be acceptable..as long as it does not include the goalie.

Didn't the £7m estimate include paying off Houllier and McAllister, and settling with MON? On that basis you'd have to include Ancelotti's pay off along with what Chelsea have to pay Porto for Villas Boas.

[Somniloquism]

Where have you got the £7m figure from?

Villa compensation bill reaches £7m 
expressandstar.com - ‎Jun 20, 2011‎
Alex McLeish will be unveiled as the club's new manager today, with Villa still locked in a cash row with Birmingham over how much the Scot will cost. The former Glasgow Rangers chief made the controversial switch to Villa Park on Friday and Blues are ...

It was mentioned elsewhere in major Daily's...

The original story of £7mil was for MON, Houllier and the potential payment to Blues altogether with the figures working out as about £2mil for Alex, £3.5 for Houllier and the rest to MON as tribunal payments.

[Brian Taylor]

It is all semantics now. I don't expect an awful lot. Good cup runs and middle to upper end of table. Any less is unacceptable.
I don't like it but this is The Villa and we, the fans, are stuck with it.
Villa Boas cost £12.5m and we pay £7m for McLeish...great stuff..shheesh. I hope he is at least half as good!
This is The Villa we're talking about!

Where have you got the £7m figure from?

As it stands we haven't paid a penny as he resigned and s claiming constructive dismissal. They are claiming £5.4m but he appears to have a strong case.

Villa compensation bill reaches £7m 
expressandstar.com - ‎Jun 20, 2011‎
Alex McLeish will be unveiled as the club's new manager today, with Villa still locked in a cash row with Birmingham over how much the Scot will cost. The former Glasgow Rangers chief made the controversial switch to Villa Park on Friday and Blues are ...

It was mentioned elsewhere in major Daily's...
As you say he may get 'constructive dismissal' just like MON's unspecified award.
Still if you want the best you gotta pay..Villa Boas was never a realistic target for us...and we definitely do not have Chelsea's oil funds to call on, or their chairman.
We'll end up with half the Scottish National team, rather than the Portugese/Brazilian etc and they'll have to be acceptable..as long as it does not include the goalie.

Didn't the £7m estimate include paying off Houllier and McAllister, and settling with MON? On that basis you'd have to include Ancelotti's pay off along with what Chelsea have to pay Porto for Villas Boas.

Villa Boas payment of 15m euros was to release him from contract.
£7m may include the others as you say but they gave a large pay-off to GED and not sure what MacAllister's is. If Birmingham want £5.4 as quoted then cannot include GED's amount.  It may be that he will walk away for little or nothing. We did not make and approach for Villa Boas that is for sure.
I saw it in papers, but strangely the article is no longer there on E&S site, only the heads from Google.

[Somniloquism]

I saw it in papers, but strangely the article is no longer there on E&S site, only the heads from Google.

See here.

[Chris Smith]

It is all semantics now. I don't expect an awful lot. Good cup runs and middle to upper end of table. Any less is unacceptable.
I don't like it but this is The Villa and we, the fans, are stuck with it.
Villa Boas cost £12.5m and we pay £7m for McLeish...great stuff..shheesh. I hope he is at least half as good!
This is The Villa we're talking about!

Where have you got the £7m figure from?

As it stands we haven't paid a penny as he resigned and s claiming constructive dismissal. They are claiming £5.4m but he appears to have a strong case.

Villa compensation bill reaches £7m 
expressandstar.com - ‎Jun 20, 2011‎
Alex McLeish will be unveiled as the club's new manager today, with Villa still locked in a cash row with Birmingham over how much the Scot will cost. The former Glasgow Rangers chief made the controversial switch to Villa Park on Friday and Blues are ...

It was mentioned elsewhere in major Daily's...
As you say he may get 'constructive dismissal' just like MON's unspecified award.
Still if you want the best you gotta pay..Villa Boas was never a realistic target for us...and we definitely do not have Chelsea's oil funds to call on, or their chairman.
We'll end up with half the Scottish National team, rather than the Portugese/Brazilian etc and they'll have to be acceptable..as long as it does not include the goalie.

It's still not a like for like comparison, their guess for us was based on MON, Houllier and McLeish. What would the Chelsea figure be if you also include Ancellotti and Scolari not to mention Mourinho and Grant.

[Villa'Zawg]

The worrying thing for me is that McLeish was unable to arrest the post-League Cup slide and didn't even attempt to change their style at a time when wins were clearly needed and his Plan A wasn't working.  It's one thing to argue that circumstances weren't in his favour, which they may or may not have been, but he manifestly wasn't getting the best out of his players when he most needed to.

Exactly like MON after our League Cup final. Come to think of it, just like MON after Feb every  season!

In 1994 we picked up just 8pts from 27 available after winning the League Cup, and in 1996 7pts from 21. Small Heath took 9pts from 36 in their 12 league games after Wembley and even Arsenal managed just three points more in their 12.

It's a common theme with League Cup winners that once they've peaked they drop away, although the likes of ManU and Chelsea have been able to keep their seasons going afterwards, probably as they don't see the League Cup as being such a big deal.

but contrary to Dan's point, we took 19 points after the League Cup final in O'Neill's final season. It was a pretty decent end to the season for a LC finalist, although not an excellent one.

[Dan England]

The worrying thing for me is that McLeish was unable to arrest the post-League Cup slide and didn't even attempt to change their style at a time when wins were clearly needed and his Plan A wasn't working.  It's one thing to argue that circumstances weren't in his favour, which they may or may not have been, but he manifestly wasn't getting the best out of his players when he most needed to.

Exactly like MON after our League Cup final. Come to think of it, just like MON after Feb every  season!

In 1994 we picked up just 8pts from 27 available after winning the League Cup, and in 1996 7pts from 21. Small Heath took 9pts from 36 in their 12 league games after Wembley and even Arsenal managed just three points more in their 12.

It's a common theme with League Cup winners that once they've peaked they drop away, although the likes of ManU and Chelsea have been able to keep their seasons going afterwards, probably as they don't see the League Cup as being such a big deal.

but contrary to Dan's point, we took 19 points after the League Cup final in O'Neill's final season. It was a pretty decent end to the season for a LC finalist, although not an excellent one.

Quite right, my point was more the fact that a lot of teams tend do poorly after the League cup final and that after Feb our record was pretty awful under MON. We could probably pick hundreds of faults with Mcleish there is probably hundreds of counter arguments, after all he has won more trophies than Wenger in the last 5 years! I don't think he was anywhere near most peoples first choice but he's been appointed and should be allowed the chance to prove himself. To write him off before he's started seem's a bit ridiculous to me.

[maidstonevillain]

The worrying thing for me is that McLeish was unable to arrest the post-League Cup slide and didn't even attempt to change their style at a time when wins were clearly needed and his Plan A wasn't working. 

No different  than MON then.