The General's thread has been locked

[JUAN PABLO]

He said Villa fans can butt out ...

[atomicjam]

I would like to see it locked for good. I am sure the Official Site could have a facility for him to talk to fans. If the Facebook outburst was him then I really do not feel I want to talk to him about anything. And if it was not I still do not really think it has much benefit anymore. I really supported the board up until a week or so ago and I still do a bit, but in a puzzled, let down and not must trust kinda way.

[Villanation]

Having said that he has achieved a great deal in his life to be proud of and to stick around here taking abuse off all and sundry for this failure just wouldn't feel right. Randy should take him out of the firing line and be man enough to take all the flak for this crazy decision.

Quite how the Vietnam War can be considered to be something to be proud of is beyond me.

But on issues at hand I really think that we as a fans board should say thanks but no thanks - it's become an embarassement, especially when the General and his son get all tetchy and offended when people criticise them. Their attitude is totally patronising.

Think you'll find in the immediate aftermath it was a war most Americans choose to ignore as they got there arses kicked, thats the case even today with a lot of Americans, it was only the deluge of movies that came to the front decades after that gave that gung ho sense of respectability, easier for them to digest on a movie screen as opposed to the real thing.

[eastie]

The general is a good well meaning man but sadly his thread isn't really in his or the clubs best interests and it may be time to call it a day as far as the thread goes.

[kieron]

Wasn't the Facebook thing a fake/impostor?

[Apyadg]

The general is a good well meaning man but sadly his thread isn't really in his or the clubs best interests and it may be time to call it a day as far as the thread goes.

They'll probably consider it, but these things aren't as simple as buying a balti pie, you know.

[KevinGage]

The abuse is uncalled for.

I think he's only ever genuinely tried to do his best and to have that level of contact with a board member is virtually unheard of anywhere else. Not just in our league, or football for that matter. But sport in general.

That said, when I see the McLeish appointment being justified by what SirAlex says about the bloke -rather than his recent fairly dismal record-  I tend to think criticism was always going to be inevitable.  The butt out remarks were probably how he genuinely felt at the time too, but were obviously unhelpful.

If this does indeed go tits up and McLeish turns out to be the failure his record so far sets the scene for, I hope lessons are learned and we get people with genuine knowledge of the game in this country on senior positions in the board. That's not a dig at anyone we have presently, but a proper administrator; a David Dein or even a Peter Kenyon probably wouldn't have overseen the complete farce that was the recent selection process.

[olaftab]

The thread was a sham in any case. As far as I know Krulak has not posted or answered any questions for many days. The posts are mostly about the Manager. Mods pipe up now and than with comments like  "This is not the thread  for the Manager" and "stick to the questions to General only on here" etc. So not missing much wit it locked.

[Rigadon]

The abuse is uncalled for.

I think he's only ever genuinely tried to do his best and to have that level of contact with a board member is virtually unheard of anywhere else. Not just in our league, or football for that matter. But sport in general.

That said, when I see the McLeish appointment being justified by what SirAlex says about the bloke -rather than his recent fairly dismal record-  I tend to think criticism was always going to be inevitable.  The butt out remarks were probably how he genuinely felt at the time too, but were obviously unhelpful.

If this does indeed go tits up and McLeish turns out to be the failure his record so far sets the scene for, I hope lessons are learned and we get people with genuine knowledge of the game in this country on senior positions in the board. That's not a dig at anyone we have presently, but a proper administrator; a David Dein or even a Peter Kenyon probably wouldn't have overseen the complete farce that was the recent selection process.

That's how I see it too. 

The last few weeks could've been handled better but the abuse is pathetic as was the protest yesterday.  A David Dein- style appointment is exactly what the Villa need right now.

[Dave Clark Five]

Mods pipe up now and than with comments like  "This is not the thread  for the Manager" and "stick to the questions to General only on here" etc. So not missing much wit it locked.

But ignore abusive posts if they are small minded enough to agree with them.

[KevinGage]

Having said that he has achieved a great deal in his life to be proud of and to stick around here taking abuse off all and sundry for this failure just wouldn't feel right. Randy should take him out of the firing line and be man enough to take all the flak for this crazy decision.

Quite how the Vietnam War can be considered to be something to be proud of is beyond me.

But on issues at hand I really think that we as a fans board should say thanks but no thanks - it's become an embarassement, especially when the General and his son get all tetchy and offended when people criticise them. Their attitude is totally patronising.

Think you'll find in the immediate aftermath it was a war most Americans choose to ignore as they got there arses kicked, thats the case even today with a lot of Americans, it was only the deluge of movies that came to the front decades after that gave that gung ho sense of respectability, easier for them to digest on a movie screen as opposed to the real thing.

I tend to think that anyone who puts their life on the line for their country warrants respect, but maybe I'm funny that way.

The Iraq war is largely viewed now as unjust/ close to illegal based on the sham evidence compiled. But the US and British servicemen and women who saw action over there weren't responsible for that.

[madirishvillain]

The abuse is uncalled for.

I think he's only ever genuinely tried to do his best and to have that level of contact with a board member is virtually unheard of anywhere else. Not just in our league, or football for that matter. But sport in general.

That said, when I see the McLeish appointment being justified by what SirAlex says about the bloke -rather than his recent fairly dismal record-  I tend to think criticism was always going to be inevitable.  The butt out remarks were probably how he genuinely felt at the time too, but were obviously unhelpful.

If this does indeed go tits up and McLeish turns out to be the failure his record so far sets the scene for, I hope lessons are learned and we get people with genuine knowledge of the game in this country on senior positions in the board. That's not a dig at anyone we have presently, but a proper administrator; a David Dein or even a Peter Kenyon probably wouldn't have overseen the complete farce that was the recent selection process.

good post Kev but are we not supposed to have learned a lot of lessons already from august last year?

these past rake of weeks have been hard

GH having to get paid off - MON settling out of court against us and now a 2 million compensation for a manager, i would say 50% of people dont want

we need a footballing guy in here and quick

the general thread has to go, i really dont want to know what time it is in america, what the weather is like or how many pancakes he is having for breakfast

do you think the mods on here would say thanks general but no thanks anymore?

[Villanation]

Having said that he has achieved a great deal in his life to be proud of and to stick around here taking abuse off all and sundry for this failure just wouldn't feel right. Randy should take him out of the firing line and be man enough to take all the flak for this crazy decision.

Quite how the Vietnam War can be considered to be something to be proud of is beyond me.

But on issues at hand I really think that we as a fans board should say thanks but no thanks - it's become an embarassement, especially when the General and his son get all tetchy and offended when people criticise them. Their attitude is totally patronising.

Think you'll find in the immediate aftermath it was a war most Americans choose to ignore as they got there arses kicked, thats the case even today with a lot of Americans, it was only the deluge of movies that came to the front decades after that gave that gung ho sense of respectability, easier for them to digest on a movie screen as opposed to the real thing.

I tend to think that anyone who puts their life on the line for their country warrants respect, but maybe I'm funny that way.

The Iraq war is largely viewed now as unjust/ close to illegal based on the sham evidence compiled. But the US and British servicemen and women who saw action over there weren't responsible for that.

Agree, the average serviceman is doing what he is supposed to do and fair play to them.

The point I was making is the very loyalty that you are reffering to was not what Mr average USA shown vets coming back from the war, they where isolated and wanted to be forgotton about, as dramatic as it is the film First Blood was in fact a good representation of that kind of feeling, lot of vets totally dropped out of society because they couldn't handle the rejection, thinking they where coming home as heroes.

Correct me if I'm wrong on this point but it was some time after that they allowed servicemens name to go up the Wall of Memory that where involved in Vietnam, it wasn't immediate and it was nothing like Wotton Bassett.

It was only later that it gained a certain respectability. Thats my point.

[Lee]

He said Villa fans can butt out ...

Is that true?

[sidcowans10]

I agree that in its current format its probably run its course. There is a lot of repetition on there and when things arent going so well The General wont say much ( his perogative)

At work we have a " link" where people can post questions to senior management. These go to an inbox, the nwhoever moderates it will post the necessary ones on an open forum with the answer. Its not possible to post on these

Could we evolve the Generals thread to something similar? We send messages to an inbox and they can get posted with the generals reply? It would cut out repetition and all the comments that normally require a " questions only for the general please" cooment off a mod

I know this will probably create some work for the mods but we will still have a link to the general which has mostly been useful these past few years?