Would you have MON back!!

[Ger Regan]

The above is why i just like reading H&V; Two very rational and objective posts that not many can argue with.
And in addition i'd add that as said above the details of MON leaving still aint really known as he has kept silent so most of the tirade against him does seem based on just speculation without anyone really knowing the true facts.   

Rational and objective because it's your point of view that is being put forward?

And one final thing on this, yes, nobody knows the full goings on from last summer, but you can play the percentages. On the one hand, you've got a chairman who has acted honourably the whole way throughout his tenure who has then suddenly turned into some sort of evil genius, making it impossible for MON to carry on. Or you've got a manager who left a club in almost the exact same circumstances, although perhaps even worse, considering he left the morning of a game. He has previous in leaving a club at a time designed to cause the maximum disruption, so I know where my money is. Basically, the way he left is unacceptable, barring Randy having tried it on with his wife or continuously administering happy slaps to him.

Also, I don't give any credence to the possibility of some major change in circumstances the week before the start of the season, the guys demeanour throughout the summer looked like a man that didn't care. Even the likes of bannan said as much.

[Gaztonniller]

Okay here a poll as requested.

[john e]

more chance of bringing Ron Saunders back than MON, 

[Gaztonniller]

30 years later and with the benefit of hindsight (his leading Blose and Olbyun to relegation) Saunders tenure was our golden age.  Now, he is my favourite all time Villa Manager.

However, between 1982-1985 he really was our Judus.  His betrayal was actually far worse than MON's - not just because he walked out but beacuse of where he ended up and when.

Imagaine if H&V had a website in February 1982 - a 300 pager if ever there was one.

Controversial , but it does put MON departure into some historical perspective.

[dave.woodhall]

30 years later and with the benefit of hindsight (his leading Blose and Olbyun to relegation) Saunders tenure was our golden age.  Now, he is my favourite all time Villa Manager.

However, between 1982-1985 he really was our Judus.  His betrayal was actually far worse than MON's - not just because he walked out but beacuse of where he ended up and when.

Imagaine if H&V had a website in February 1982 - a 300 pager if ever there was one.

Controversial , but it does put MON departure into some historical perspective.

No it doesn't. From 30 years distance Ron Saunders is our greatest and most successful manager. Are you not capable of understanding that one simple point?

[Gaztonniller]

30 years later and with the benefit of hindsight (his leading Blose and Olbyun to relegation) Saunders tenure was our golden age.  Now, he is my favourite all time Villa Manager.

However, between 1982-1985 he really was our Judus.  His betrayal was actually far worse than MON's - not just because he walked out but beacuse of where he ended up and when.

Imagaine if H&V had a website in February 1982 - a 300 pager if ever there was one.

Controversial , but it does put MON departure into some historical perspective.

No it doesn't. From 30 years distance Ron Saunders is our greatest and most successful manager. Are you not capable of understanding that one simple point?

Your just looking at the silverware won where the point mentioned is to do with a manager leaving the club and the historical referece to RS departure. It not about whether who was the greatest manager.

[dave.woodhall]

30 years later and with the benefit of hindsight (his leading Blose and Olbyun to relegation) Saunders tenure was our golden age.  Now, he is my favourite all time Villa Manager.

However, between 1982-1985 he really was our Judus.  His betrayal was actually far worse than MON's - not just because he walked out but beacuse of where he ended up and when.

Imagaine if H&V had a website in February 1982 - a 300 pager if ever there was one.

Controversial , but it does put MON departure into some historical perspective.

No it doesn't. From 30 years distance Ron Saunders is our greatest and most successful manager. Are you not capable of understanding that one simple point?

Your just looking at the silverware won where the point mentioned is to do with a manager leaving the club and the aftermath.

Yes, I do admit that I believe winning trophies is a pretty important part of how a manager is perceived. 

[Ger Regan]

Your just looking at the silverware won where the point mentioned is to do with a manager leaving the club and the historical referece to RS departure. It not about whether who was the greatest manager.

The perception of Saunders' departure and legacy is bound to be influenced by his success, and the ability of the squad when he left. Likewise MON's legacy will be judged on his time here, as well as the state of the squad when he left. Anyone who thinks that MON will be thought of in the same light as him in 30 years time is breathtakingly deluded.

I've been having difficulty trying to articulate my feelings on MON. Basically, I think he's an unsustainably "successful" manager, if that makes sense. By that I mean that he will be relatively successful while he's at the club, but once he leaves any manager that takes over from him will have difficulty in achieving the same level of results. Now that might be seen as something in his favour by some (and could well be true had the squad not consisted mostly of his own purchases), but I believe that truly great managers should be judged on their legacy as well as the success achieved during their tenure.

[Lambert and Payne]

Your just looking at the silverware won 

It is a rather important aspect to the job. How can you compare the two? I weren't around at the time. But I've been told by everyone around at the time and read enough to see that there is no similarities

Am I right in the sense that if no one agree's with you there wrong?

[eamonn]

If I had been a season ticket holder for MON's last two seasons I certainly wouldn't have been sad to see him go. We had some good times under him but largely flattered to deceive and there was always a sense of waiting to be found out once teams copped on to our ability at set-pieces and counter attacking but lack od quality in open play.

The night that crystallised MON's reign for me when I realised how, if at all, we were going to be successful under him was on Heskey's debut at Pompey when we won 1-0 but the last half an hour in that game was quite embarassing. Backs to the wall, hoof and hope, defending a lead instead of passing patiently and controlling the game and waiting to pick our moment to try and get an insurance goal. That just wasn't the MON way. Relief at the end of the game, the players absoloutely spent, O'Neill no doubt delighted with a ''fine performance''.

I certainly wouldn't have sacked him after his last season but the manner in which he left, on the eve of a season, (even if we don't know the circumstances it's clear that O'Neill has always had a stubborn trait in his personality whereas Lerner's record up to that point was of being the perfect employer...there must have been some volte face for O'Neill to have been wronged), means I struggle to have respect for him anymore. Couple that with the arse-licking that goes on towards him in the press and I'd rather just forget about him.

[TopDeck113]

So go on.  A straight choice of either MON or McLeish, no one else, who would you choose to be in the Villa Park dugout next season?

[PeterWithesShin]

So go on.  A straight choice of either MON or McLeish, no one else, who would you choose to be in the Villa Park dugout next season?

It's like choosing between drowning or burning to death. Fuck em both.

[Big Dick Edwards]

So go on.  A straight choice of either MON or McLeish, no one else, who would you choose to be in the Villa Park dugout next season?

When they went head to head with Rangers and Celtic, who came out on top?

[Gaztonniller]

Your just looking at the silverware won 

It is a rather important aspect to the job. How can you compare the two? I weren't around at the time. But I've been told by everyone around at the time and read enough to see that there is no similarities

Am I right in the sense that if no one agree's with you there wrong?

Nope, just means we're not yet in agreement. 

 

[Dave Cooper please]

Your just looking at the silverware won where the point mentioned is to do with a manager leaving the club and the historical referece to RS departure. It not about whether who was the greatest manager.

Okay, so Saunders left a legacy where a rookie manager won the European Cup and O'Neill left a legacy where an experienced manage who had previously won the European Cup could only struggle to mid-table.