How would you feel if we appointed Steve McClaren?

[Legion]

How on earth can you consider my stance to be disrespectful? The fact that I support Aston Villa and will give our new manager my full backing, even if it is McClaren who I do not want? I'm so sorry I do not agree with your point of view.

[MadJohnnyC]

Very passionate and admirable post Holtepaul

EDIT - Whilst not disagreeing with Legion in any way either. Both make very valid points and can understand both views.

[holtepaul]

Legion - it is the attitude you portray (and have basically said to the General) that fans who won't renew "cant be fans as fans support the club through thick and thin, and I (meaning you) are an Aston Villa fan and will back the club whoever they appoint"

Well sorry, I have backed the club through mistake (Turner) through mistake (McNeill) through mistake (Venglos) through mistake (OLeary) as well as other things. But even though these were mistakes I could see on every occasion why Ellis did what he did (and I bloody hate Ellis !)

Turner - up and coming manager , out to prove he would take his chance (read Martinez now !)
McNeill - worked wonders at his old club, a passionate football man (read Houllier)
Venglos - went wrong but I think now, in hindsight, he was 5 yrs too early
O'Leary - young manager, already been successful at a club who demanded success (read Beniitez)

But McLaren - sorry, I can not see ANY reason, and I mean NONE to support him even being considered as manager. And if he has, the reason that it is will not be for the best of the Villa. So as they say in Dragons den "I'm out".

And (this is why I find it disrespectful) when I feel this - all I get is the "you are not as good a fan as me" response.

[Legion]

Legion - it is the attitude you portray (and have basically said to the General) that fans who won't renew "cant be fans as fans support the club through thick and thin, and I (meaning you) are an Aston Villa fan and will back the club whoever they appoint"

Well sorry, I have backed the club through mistake (Turner) through mistake (McNeill) through mistake (Venglos) through mistake (OLeary) as well as other things. But even though these were mistakes I could see on every occasion why Ellis did what he did (and I bloody hate Ellis !)

Turner - up and coming manager , out to prove he would take his chance (read Martinez now !)
McNeill - worked wonders at his old club, a passionate football man (read Houllier)
Venglos - went wrong but I think now, in hindsight, he was 5 yrs too early
O'Leary - young manager, already been successful at a club who demanded success (read Beniitez)

But McLaren - sorry, I can not see ANY reason, and I mean NONE to support him even being considered as manager. And if he has, the reason that it is will not be for the best of the Villa. So as they say in Dragons den "I'm out".

And (this is why I find it disrespectful) when I feel this - all I get is the "you are not as good a fan as me" response.

Please find somewhere where I've ever said that. Utter rubbish.

[Risso]

Don't let the door hit you on your way out Paul.  I mean, McLaren would be a long way from my first choice of manager, but he took a team like Boro to a European final, as well as getting them to 7th and winning a cup.  He's a bit of a comedy figure I realise, but that doesn't mean he's a bad manager.  Certainly not bad enough to turn your back on the club over.

[john e]

Legion - it is the attitude you portray (and have basically said to the General) that fans who won't renew "cant be fans as fans support the club through thick and thin, and I (meaning you) are an Aston Villa fan and will back the club whoever they appoint"

Well sorry, I have backed the club through mistake (Turner) through mistake (McNeill) through mistake (Venglos) through mistake (OLeary) as well as other things. But even though these were mistakes I could see on every occasion why Ellis did what he did (and I bloody hate Ellis !)

Turner - up and coming manager , out to prove he would take his chance (read Martinez now !)
McNeill - worked wonders at his old club, a passionate football man (read Houllier)
Venglos - went wrong but I think now, in hindsight, he was 5 yrs too early
O'Leary - young manager, already been successful at a club who demanded success (read Beniitez)

But McLaren - sorry, I can not see ANY reason, and I mean NONE to support him even being considered as manager. And if he has, the reason that it is will not be for the best of the Villa. So as they say in Dragons den "I'm out".

And (this is why I find it disrespectful) when I feel this - all I get is the "you are not as good a fan as me" response.

you better let us have your address mate,
just incase they do appoint McClaren and we can send someone round on suicide watch

[TheSandman]

Legion - it is the attitude you portray (and have basically said to the General) that fans who won't renew "cant be fans as fans support the club through thick and thin, and I (meaning you) are an Aston Villa fan and will back the club whoever they appoint"

Well sorry, I have backed the club through mistake (Turner) through mistake (McNeill) through mistake (Venglos) through mistake (OLeary) as well as other things. But even though these were mistakes I could see on every occasion why Ellis did what he did (and I bloody hate Ellis !)

Turner - up and coming manager , out to prove he would take his chance (read Martinez now !)
McNeill - worked wonders at his old club, a passionate football man (read Houllier)
Venglos - went wrong but I think now, in hindsight, he was 5 yrs too early
O'Leary - young manager, already been successful at a club who demanded success (read Beniitez)

But McLaren - sorry, I can not see ANY reason, and I mean NONE to support him even being considered as manager. And if he has, the reason that it is will not be for the best of the Villa. So as they say in Dragons den "I'm out".

And (this is why I find it disrespectful) when I feel this - all I get is the "you are not as good a fan as me" response.

And so you proceed to give a ''You are not as good a fan as me" response yourself.

[JUAN PABLO]

Don't let the door hit you on your way out Paul.  I mean, McLaren would be a long way from my first choice of manager, but he took a team like Boro to a European final, as well as getting them to 7th and winning a cup.  He's a bit of a comedy figure I realise, but that doesn't mean he's a bad manager.  Certainly not bad enough to turn your back on the club over.

  and I can always remember that Boro fan throwing his season ticket at him ...

[holtepaul]

Don't let the door hit you on your way out Paul.  I mean, McLaren would be a long way from my first choice of manager, but he took a team like Boro to a European final, as well as getting them to 7th and winning a cup.  He's a bit of a comedy figure I realise, but that doesn't mean he's a bad manager.  Certainly not bad enough to turn your back on the club over.

Errrrrrrrrrrrrrr = and how did he do it - read McLarens boro - read man City !!!

George Boateng - I want to win trophies (or shall I go to a club paying the highest wages ?)
Southgate - I want to play for a club with ambition (or shall I go to a club who pays the highest wages ?)
Ugo - ditto (or shall I go to a club who pays highest wages ?)
Jimmy Floyd Hasslebank - er- ditto
Mark Viduka - er - ditto

HE BLOODY SPENT A FORTUNE, BANKRUPTING THE CLUB

And his record - great that was, just read Wiki

Played 250 win 97 draw 60 lost 93 - win percentage 38.8%

I mean, I know this is only wikipedia so is open to debate but just read the last paragraph - does this sound like someone RL wants

McClaren was accused by rival managers as having a "pot of gold" provided by Gibson to buy players, giving him an advantage over other teams when signing players.[34] Despite this, towards the latter end of his tenure McClaren was criticised by supporters of using negative tactics and earning Middlesbrough the tag of a "dull" side.[27][35] Some observers attributed Middlesbrough's success to the senior, experienced players in the side rather than McClaren's managerial ability.[27]

Sorry - no way in this world would I back that appointment - and I dont feel guilty about it. In fact, if people want to waste money in this day in age just to show "what a great fan I am" then bloody more fool them

[holtepaul]

Legion - it is the attitude you portray (and have basically said to the General) that fans who won't renew "cant be fans as fans support the club through thick and thin, and I (meaning you) are an Aston Villa fan and will back the club whoever they appoint"

Well sorry, I have backed the club through mistake (Turner) through mistake (McNeill) through mistake (Venglos) through mistake (OLeary) as well as other things. But even though these were mistakes I could see on every occasion why Ellis did what he did (and I bloody hate Ellis !)

Turner - up and coming manager , out to prove he would take his chance (read Martinez now !)
McNeill - worked wonders at his old club, a passionate football man (read Houllier)
Venglos - went wrong but I think now, in hindsight, he was 5 yrs too early
O'Leary - young manager, already been successful at a club who demanded success (read Beniitez)

But McLaren - sorry, I can not see ANY reason, and I mean NONE to support him even being considered as manager. And if he has, the reason that it is will not be for the best of the Villa. So as they say in Dragons den "I'm out".

And (this is why I find it disrespectful) when I feel this - all I get is the "you are not as good a fan as me" response.

Please find somewhere where I've ever said that. Utter rubbish.

How about this bit - page 12 generals thread - response to my post, which without going over it again says what I say above

"Sorry to interject here, but as much as I do not want McClaren to be appointed I would never do that. I support Aston Villa, no matter what."

[Legion]

I want to spend my money to watch Aston Villa. Nothing more, nothing less.

[Legion]

Legion - it is the attitude you portray (and have basically said to the General) that fans who won't renew "cant be fans as fans support the club through thick and thin, and I (meaning you) are an Aston Villa fan and will back the club whoever they appoint"

Well sorry, I have backed the club through mistake (Turner) through mistake (McNeill) through mistake (Venglos) through mistake (OLeary) as well as other things. But even though these were mistakes I could see on every occasion why Ellis did what he did (and I bloody hate Ellis !)

Turner - up and coming manager , out to prove he would take his chance (read Martinez now !)
McNeill - worked wonders at his old club, a passionate football man (read Houllier)
Venglos - went wrong but I think now, in hindsight, he was 5 yrs too early
O'Leary - young manager, already been successful at a club who demanded success (read Beniitez)

But McLaren - sorry, I can not see ANY reason, and I mean NONE to support him even being considered as manager. And if he has, the reason that it is will not be for the best of the Villa. So as they say in Dragons den "I'm out".

And (this is why I find it disrespectful) when I feel this - all I get is the "you are not as good a fan as me" response.

Please find somewhere where I've ever said that. Utter rubbish.

How about this bit - page 12 generals thread - response to my post, which without going over it again says what I say above

"Sorry to interject here, but as much as I do not want McClaren to be appointed I would never do that. I support Aston Villa, no matter what."

I don't want McClaren but I wouldn't give up my Season Ticket because of it. It's my money, my choice. Just as it is yours. It does not imply any 'greater fan' issue.

[Chris Jameson]

I can't be arsed to check the figures but i'm fairly certain Bryan Robson was given a pot of gold which eventually lead to relegation and Terry sodding Venables being called in to help out. McClaren on the other hand oversaw the very succesful youth set up, won Boro their first ever trophy, got them into a European final and helped turn Downing and Johnson into the International footballers they are now. When he left they were in a lot stronger position than when he took over.

They were then relegated under the next manager.

[holtepaul]

No - you just called me a liar

I posted and you replied "I would never do that"

Now THAT meant what I read - followed by "I  support Aston Villa no matter what" - implyin dont.

And the last few posts are just showing I HAVE backed the Villa no matter what.

I bloody love this club -  so much so that do you know what I called my son.............................McGrath !!!!!

But I - even I - a guy who when people think of me say "Oh he's the Villa fan"

Even I will have had enough if we appoint McLaren.

And sorry Legion, I don't feel guilty about it in the slightest.

[Legion]

I've called you a liar? Where?