Mark Hughes Quits Fulham

[Michel Sibble]

Absolutely paulie.

Momo al Fayed gave him the contract with the clause in, he's triggered it, end of contract. Arguably al Fayed was smart enough to know Hughes would be looking elsewhere, hence the contract terms.

My only question mark would be his loyalty to the Villa cause. He, like Ancelotti would be off after one successful season.

[pauliewalnuts]

Neill O'Martin on Twitter is on fire lately.

I loved this one this morning:

NeillOMartin
Could I work with the wee Harrods fella, seriously? An excitable conspiracy theorist associated with extortionate shopping...and Al Fayed?

Fantastic!

[Ger Regan]

Absolutely paulie.

Momo al Fayed gave him the contract with the clause in, he's triggered it, end of contract. Arguably al Fayed was smart enough to know Hughes would be looking elsewhere, hence the contract terms.

My only question mark would be his loyalty to the Villa cause. He, like Ancelotti would be off after one successful season.

That would be my big concern too. You can say what you want about him only triggering a clause in his contract, but somehow I think if a villa manager did similar (assuming he was somewhat successful), there'd be a lot of justifiably angry people on here, myself included.

[Quiet Lion]

Those who use their past achievements in temrs of trophies won, to justify that Rafa and Carlo are better managers than Hughes, are showing a failing of logic of epic proportions.

Had Carlo won two champions leagues with blackburn the comparsion would be fair, but as they were at different clubs it is not fair to compare the two. Avram Grant took Chelsea to second in the league and the chapions league final.....yet most would prefer Hughes who has never finished that high.

Not saying Hughes is superior, just pointing out the painful flaws in the argument

[CJ]

Maybe Hughes was so annoyed about the Wacko statue, and Al Fayed's subsequent statement that if the fans don't like it they can fuck off to Chelsea, that he thought it wasn't the sort of club he wanted to work for. Just a thought.

[hilts_coolerking]

Not saying Hughes is superiour, just pointing out the painful flaws in the argument

You can point to theoretical flaws but the fact is that Benitez and Ancelotti are better managers than Mark Hughes by any objective measure.  If Hughes has not had the plum jobs they have had there is a reason for that.  If someone wants to offer a convincing argument in support of the claim that Hughes is as good as those two, if not better, then I'm willing to be persuaded.  Pointing out that he hasn't been at the clubs they have is not such an argument; it's mitigation for his lack of achievement.  Besides he did have a plum job at Man City, with megabucks to spend, and was bombed out in 18 months.

[not3bad]

And how long was it before Benitez was bombed out of his last job?

[hilts_coolerking]

And how long was it before Benitez was bombed out of his last job?

Fair point, but he can console himself with the knowledge that he has league titles and domestic and continental trophies on his CV to remind him that he is a quality manager.  Hughes ... well Hughes does not.

[Percy McCarthy]

Not saying Hughes is superiour, just pointing out the painful flaws in the argument

You can point to theoretical flaws but the fact is that Benitez and Ancelotti are better managers than Mark Hughes by any objective measure.  If Hughes has not had the plum jobs they have had there is a reason for that.  If someone wants to offer a convincing argument in support of the claim that Hughes is as good as those two, if not better, then I'm willing to be persuaded.  Pointing out that he hasn't been at the clubs they have is not such an argument; it's mitigation for his lack of achievement.  Besides he did have a plum job at Man City, with megabucks to spend, and was bombed out in 18 months.

I like ozzjim's argument, which you thanked him for, that 'proves' as a 'fact' that any striker with a superior goal ratio to another one is always better. Your theory also supports, sorry, establishes as a fact, that Alex McLeish is a better manager than Graham Taylor.

[hilts_coolerking]

I like ozzjim's argument, which you thanked him for, that 'proves' as a 'fact' that any striker with a superior goal ratio to another one is always better. Your theory also supports, sorry, establishes as a fact, that Alex McLeish is a better manager than Graham Taylor.

While your argument, such as it is, holds that Mark Hughes is as a great a manager as Shankley, Busby, Stein and Wenger on the basis of all the honours he has yet to win.

[taylorsworkrate]

Personally for a young manager, I think Hughes has done nicely.  Whose to say that Mark Hughes won't be in a plum job in 5 years time?  Most managers don't just walk in to a massive club, they work their way through by consistently proving their ability and improving. 

I think Hughes has so far done that where ever he has been.

[Percy McCarthy]

And how long was it before Benitez was bombed out of his last job?

Fair point, but he can console himself with the knowledge that he has league titles and domestic and continental trophies on his CV to remind him that he is a quality manager.  Hughes ... well Hughes does not.

He should have got the Barcelona job instead of that inferior manager - FACT - Guardiola. Being a superior manager - FACT - he would have achieved much more - FACT.

Are you Rafa Benitez hilts?

[hilts_coolerking]

He should have got the Barcelona job instead of that inferior manager - FACT - Guardiola. Being a superior manager - FACT - he would have achieved much more - FACT.

Whereas it should have gone to Lee Clark who is as good as Arsene Wenger - FACT.

[hilts_coolerking]

Are you Rafa Benitez hilts?

Are you Alf Stewart?

[Percy McCarthy]

I like ozzjim's argument, which you thanked him for, that 'proves' as a 'fact' that any striker with a superior goal ratio to another one is always better. Your theory also supports, sorry, establishes as a fact, that Alex McLeish is a better manager than Graham Taylor.

While your argument, such as it is, holds that Mark Hughes is as a great a manager as Shankley, Busby, Stein and Wenger on the basis of all the honours he has yet to win.

When did I say that? I haven't even said he's better than CA or RF. I'm just saying that your theory, that the manager with the best CV or list of achievements is always the best, is not a fact. Am I right or wrong?