Who Should be Aston Villa Manager ? Now with new, revised poll

[Concrete John]

WE should of come and and made it clear that he was one of a number of candidate we wanted to sound out. However in no uncertain terms was he offered a job. We just rolled over and got shafted by Dave Whelan

Villa don't have to come out with anything, they've told us all we need to know, they're going to look for a manager and get the best man for the job.

They don't have to tell us how many they're going to interview, who's not going to be interview, why when where.

Exactly.  Anything else is pampering to the media and runs the risk of getting into a slanging match with Wigan and we're too dignified for that. 

[greta]

I really do think (hope) that we already have our man and are simply waiting for events to play out. This would explain the (apparent) cancelling of meetings with applicants which, if true, makes no sense.

[Eigentor]

I don't know how these things work, but it's not uninmaginable that this story limits our choices as other candidates now will be portrayed as second-choice (after Martinez) by the media.

[TopDeck113]

As someone who doesn't listen to TalkSport, doesn't have Sky and generally avoids the tabloid press, can someone tell me whether it is just Villa who are being vilified for not making a speedy appointment?  After all, Chelsea sacked Ancelotti before we parted company with Houllier.

[TheEgo]

WE should of come and and made it clear that he was one of a number of candidate we wanted to sound out. However in no uncertain terms was he offered a job. We just rolled over and got shafted by Dave Whelan

Villa don't have to come out with anything, they've told us all we need to know, they're going to look for a manager and get the best man for the job.

They don't have to tell us how many they're going to interview, who's not going to be interview, why when where.

Exactly.  Anything else is pampering to the media and runs the risk of getting into a slanging match with Wigan and we're too dignified for that. 

I repsect your opinion, but in a media driven industry, it's important to get it right and we were out manouvered by a 71 year old chairmain, not good. Like I said perception becomes reality if unchalleged and whilst we know that Martinez wasn't offered the job, EVERY media outlet is reporting otherwise. We will have to disagree on that not being a bad thing, it certainly isn't pampering.

[paul_e]

The thing with Martinez how could he have done anything other than turn us down once it was public?

It wasn't a job offer, it was an invitation for an interview.  If it hadn't worked out he'd have stayed at Wigan, but by making it public he'd have lost the Wigan fans if this happened.  Therefore Whelan backed him into a corner where, unless he thought he was definitely going to get the job, it was too big a risk to do anything other than politely decline and go back to Wigan as a hero.

Very smart (and underhanded) from Whelan but Lerner won't be impressed and I doubt Martinez is all that happy about things either.

[Cracker1234]

As someone who doesn't listen to TalkSport, doesn't have Sky and generally avoids the tabloid press, can someone tell me whether it is just Villa who are being vilified for not making a speedy appointment?  After all, Chelsea sacked Ancelotti before we parted company with Houllier.

Chelsea are only after 1 man, the media know about it and have ran that story to death, Aston Villa however...The media know f all about who Villa really want so they grasp at any snip of info and blow it up tenfold.

[Rigadon]

The thing with Martinez how could he have done anything other than turn us down once it was public?

It wasn't a job offer, it was an invitation for an interview.  If it hadn't worked out he'd have stayed at Wigan, but by making it public he'd have lost the Wigan fans if this happened.  Therefore Whelan backed him into a corner where, unless he thought he was definitely going to get the job, it was too big a risk to do anything other than politely decline and go back to Wigan as a hero.

Very smart (and underhanded) from Whelan but Lerner won't be impressed and I doubt Martinez is all that happy about things either.

Yep.

[john2710]

When we appoint a manager of far greater stature, experience and talent than Martinez everyone will know that he was never offered the job. My guess is the remaining interviews were cancelled from Tuesday onwards, Martinez included, we just can't tell anyone, yet. 

[Cracker1234]

WE should of come and and made it clear that he was one of a number of candidate we wanted to sound out. However in no uncertain terms was he offered a job. We just rolled over and got shafted by Dave Whelan

Villa don't have to come out with anything, they've told us all we need to know, they're going to look for a manager and get the best man for the job.

They don't have to tell us how many they're going to interview, who's not going to be interview, why when where.

Exactly.  Anything else is pampering to the media and runs the risk of getting into a slanging match with Wigan and we're too dignified for that. 

I repsect your opinion, but in a media driven industry, it's important to get it right and we were out manouvered by a 71 year old chairmain, not good. Like I said perception becomes reality if unchalleged and whilst we know that Martinez wasn't offered the job, EVERY media outlet is reporting otherwise. We will have to disagree on that not being a bad thing, it certainly isn't pampering.

You only have to read on the OS that he wasn't offered the job and he said no to the interview.

It's what always was going to happen with Martinez, he was never going to leave Wigan.

[mavillain]

first post here, but thought it was worth mentioning.

i had to see someone i know at villa yesterday that i know, and on leaving the stadium, i was chatting to the sky sports presenter off camera whilst walking back to my car.

his belief was that it is indeed hughes we have lined up, but there are several nda's/publicity black outs on it meaning they cant report on it, due to it not allowed to be announced til 1st july.

we'll wait and see.

[jibba81]

We really do look like a small time club right now. 

http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/252065/Slow-Randy-Lerner-must-act-fast?

No we don't, but that journalist looks like a small time hack. His surname says it all.

[Californian Villain]

first post here, but thought it was worth mentioning.

i had to see someone i know at villa yesterday that i know, and on leaving the stadium, i was chatting to the sky sports presenter off camera whilst walking back to my car.

his belief was that it is indeed hughes we have lined up, but there are several nda's/publicity black outs on it meaning they cant report on it, due to it not allowed to be announced til 1st july.

we'll wait and see.

Total bollocks. Since when did the press respect "nda's/publicity black outs" on stuff like this?

[Cracker1234]

first post here, but thought it was worth mentioning.

i had to see someone i know at villa yesterday that i know, and on leaving the stadium, i was chatting to the sky sports presenter off camera whilst walking back to my car.

his belief was that it is indeed hughes we have lined up, but there are several nda's/publicity black outs on it meaning they cant report on it, due to it not allowed to be announced til 1st july.

we'll wait and see.

No way in hell we're going to be waiting till the 1st of July, I wouldn't even waste any money on it being Hughes.

If he can walk out on Fulham after agreeing to sign a new contract then he could walk out on us at any moment also.

[john e]

The thing with Martinez how could he have done anything other than turn us down once it was public?

It wasn't a job offer, it was an invitation for an interview.  If it hadn't worked out he'd have stayed at Wigan, but by making it public he'd have lost the Wigan fans if this happened.  Therefore Whelan backed him into a corner where, unless he thought he was definitely going to get the job, it was too big a risk to do anything other than politely decline and go back to Wigan as a hero.

Very smart (and underhanded) from Whelan but Lerner won't be impressed and I doubt Martinez is all that happy about things either.

The thing with Martinez how could he have done anything other than turn us down once it was public?

It wasn't a job offer, it was an invitation for an interview.  If it hadn't worked out he'd have stayed at Wigan, but by making it public he'd have lost the Wigan fans if this happened.  Therefore Whelan backed him into a corner where, unless he thought he was definitely going to get the job, it was too big a risk to do anything other than politely decline and go back to Wigan as a hero.

Very smart (and underhanded) from Whelan but Lerner won't be impressed and I doubt Martinez is all that happy about things either.

i'm a big fan of RM, but like you say i dont think he will be pleased about the way its all gone either,

 so he is now the man who turned Villa down, so straight away he 'lacks ambition' i know the loyalty thing goes in his favour, but that will soon be forgotten when he's struggling with his Wigan team,

i would have loved him at Villa, but lets face it at Wigan the only ambition you have got is to keep them prem, thats it,
if there was any way RM thought that he had a serious chance of the job, i'm sure he would have taken it.

however, if he had agreed to have talks with Villa, it would have been very hard for Villa to turn round and say , no thanks,
 that would have made us look totaly ametuerish, as normaly talks lead to the job being offered especially when you get permision from the prospective managers club