Who Should be Aston Villa Manager ? Now with new, revised poll

[PaulWinch again]

Ouch! This is smarting. We've been hung out to dry by Dave Whelan. But to issue a statement to highlight the fact is a bad move.
We've given Smashy and Nicey on Talksport lots of ammo now. And we've Sky Sports something to get their teeth into.
It hurts though, that Martinez doesn't jump at the chance.
The longer this goes on, the bigger the vacuum, and media outlets need to fill this empty space with some sort of vaccous shite. Hopefully some other story breaks soon to take the focus off us, we are unlucky that the last few weeks have been quiet on the football news front.

He doesn't jump at the chance to be considered as a potential Villa manager. That's massively different to being offered the job.

[Can Gana Be Bettered!?!?]

We've all been played by Dave Whelan. It's obvious.

Martinez wasn't even in contention for the job. He was a nobody on the list until Whelan said we approached him 9 days ago.

Whelan and Martinez knew about 3 or 4 days ago that he was never going to be offered the Villa job. So Whelan blabbed his stuff on SSN. The media lapped it up and Martinez "rejected" the approach from Villa the next day.

Martinez keeps his job security. Whelan makes it look like Wigan just held off an approach from a massive club and meanwhile Villa are saying that Martinez wasn't even given an interview.

It's all smoke and mirrors. Martinez wasn't even in contention to be Villa manager and he knew it, so he turned down the opportunity to even speak with us.

We're going to get a big name manager. Martinez was a Whelan-made bullshit story.

That wouldn't surprise me at all. Dave Whelan was one of presumably a few chairmen we've contacted for permission to talk. He's the only one to go public. Not having been offered the job, and not wanting to risk looking a tit, Martinez says he's staying. Villa behave decently, Whelan's a tosser.   

Or Martinez simply didn't want the job. Why would he when so many clearly don't want a young, up and coming manager who may go on to great things?

[TheEgo]

Compare the media coverage of this to that of the Chelsea job, they are hardly mentioned. We have royally fucked this up. Are media relations are SHOCKING.

[ozzjim]

Martinez is staying out of loyalty to the man who brought him over and has stuck by him when he could have sacked him, has forgiven him for poor purchases and he has a great relationship with.

But more significantly, he is staying loyal because he was not being offered a job - he was offered talks, and he will have been aware he is not the only candidate.

I don't care what SKY, TalkSport or anyone else write, we are Aston Villa and need this appointment to stick for 4-5 years and develop with us. For me I think the board approached RM and have been had by Whelan a bit, but I don't think they will be crying over not getting him at all.

[andyh]

oh, of course.
the SSN and Talkshite headlines will be
'Matinez rejects Villa'

[citizenDJ]

It all depends on how much you worry about what the media say, though. Personally, I don't care very much, and I can't see that our board have done too much wrong. The papers and the radio and whatnot can enjoy their hysteria, and I'll wait to see who the board appoint. The rumours and so on are fun, and it's a laugh discussing all the different possibiliites, but at the end of the day, we'll get a new manager.

So far, I've been pleased with pretty much all that the current board have done, so I'm prepared to trust them to get this right, too. If we end up with Hughes, or Benitez or Moyes, say, then they'll have done a decent job.

[avfcpg]

I'm not getting why Randy is supposedly making a mess of it as some would say he is? We are looking for a manager, one hasn't been appointed yet, he's going about it privately and it's only been one or two weeks. That's pretty much all we know isn't it?

The press don't have a clue so just spout off any old rubbish, the bookies are yoyo'ing all over the place , and a lot of Villa fans are whipping themselves into a right old frenzy over speculation.

Frustrating? Yes course it is...but this is how Villa do business. And why shouldn't they.

[hawkeye]

As usual we have acted with dignity and have been set up by Whelan who cant wait to get his face in front of the Camera.
Sadly lots of people out there think we offered Martiez the job, we havent.

Enter Shteve. Oh god

[Villafirst]

I've said for the last two days that despite Whelan being on the face of it all magnanimous saying nice things about us, he's is an absolute ruthless businessman, who knew EXACTLY what he was doing.  He's come out of this smelling of roses, we've come out of it looking like chumps.  Ellis wouldn't have let that happen to him.  Lerner hasn't got the remotest clue how to conduct football business or manage the media.

Agree, he's never faced the media as such. We need strong leadership at this stage, but it's just not there. The communication from the club is abysmal to say the least. We just don't have a PR Department.

[cdbearsfan]

As usual we have acted with dignity and have been set up by Whelan who cant wait to get his face in front of the Camera.
Sadly lots of people out there think we offered Martiez the job, we havent.

Enter Shteve. Oh god

Whether we offered him the job is immaterial. We definitely asked permission to speak to him, and permission was granted. He has chosen to waive that right and stay where he is. The Villa website says so. It's rejection, no matter which way you look at it.

[King of the Nørth]

It all depends on how much you worry about what the media say, though. Personally, I don't care very much, and I can't see that our board have done too much wrong. The papers and the radio and whatnot can enjoy their hysteria, and I'll wait to see who the board appoint. The rumours and so on are fun, and it's a laugh discussing all the different possibiliites, but at the end of the day, we'll get a new manager.

So far, I've been pleased with pretty much all that the current board have done, so I'm prepared to trust them to get this right, too. If we end up with Hughes, or Benitez or Moyes, say, then they'll have done a decent job.

 Well said and completley agree. The next Aston Villa manager will be of a much higher calibre than Mr Martinez, you can bet your bottom dollar!

[john e]

As usual we have acted with dignity and have been set up by Whelan who cant wait to get his face in front of the Camera.
Sadly lots of people out there think we offered Martiez the job, we havent.

Enter Shteve. Oh god

Whether we offered him the job is immaterial. We definitely asked permission to speak to him, and permission was granted. He has chosen to waive that right and stay where he is. The Villa website says so. It's rejection, no matter which way you look at it.

thats true,
and it would have been very dificult if RM had said yes to talks, for Villa to then say Thanks but no thanks

[Holtenderinthesky]

As usual we have acted with dignity and have been set up by Whelan who cant wait to get his face in front of the Camera.
Sadly lots of people out there think we offered Martiez the job, we havent.

Enter Shteve. Oh god

Whether we offered him the job is immaterial. We definitely asked permission to speak to him, and permission was granted. He has chosen to waive that right and stay where he is. The Villa website says so. It's rejection, no matter which way you look at it.

I know it's a bit left field but I don't think it's a cut and dried as that.  What if Whelan only gave us permission to speak to Martinez on the condition that we wouldn't make it public that he didn't meet our criteria should he fail the interview?  It may sound daft but perhaps even RM himself only agreed to talk to us if he could come out smelling of roses should we decide he doesn't meet our requirements. 

I know it sounds unlikely but it's possible, and if that is the case then we have certainly come off worse on the face of it.  Then again, it could all be part of some master plan, some sort of smokescreen, that will surprise all.

[hawkeye]

only because Wheelan told every one

[fbriai]

It all depends on how much you worry about what the media say, though. Personally, I don't care very much, and I can't see that our board have done too much wrong. The papers and the radio and whatnot can enjoy their hysteria, and I'll wait to see who the board appoint. The rumours and so on are fun, and it's a laugh discussing all the different possibiliites, but at the end of the day, we'll get a new manager.

So far, I've been pleased with pretty much all that the current board have done, so I'm prepared to trust them to get this right, too. If we end up with Hughes, or Benitez or Moyes, say, then they'll have done a decent job.

I agree completely, citizenDeej.

I actually quite like the fact that the board carry on with their own way of doing things, rather than worrying too much about what's being reported. The news changes so quickly anyway - we are consulting the odds pages and Twitter looking for anything that might resemble a new lead. Even the big news websites, renowned for providing breaking news immediately, have been overtaken.

The only time that we will really be able to judge the situation is when the new manager has been named. It is good fun in the meantime following it all though.