Who Should be Aston Villa Manager ? Now with new, revised poll

[hilts_coolerking]

I think they'd seriously consider it after the way Redknapp turned comapred to Ramos. They've proven that a manager does not have to have prior expereince of the CL to qualify for it.

I really doubt it, particularly given who else is currently available.  What Redknapp has proven is that he has the ability to qualify for the CL with no prior experience of having done so, not that managers in general can.

[hilts_coolerking]

What I am trying to do is present the case that a manager like Ancelotti may not be the answer simply because he's been the other side of the CL fence and won trophies there.

I agree.  My view is that he is the answer simply because he's the best manager of the names that have so far been mentioned.  I don't agree with Chris's idea that we are in a position that is crying out for a Moyes or Hughes to come in a do a massive rebuild, or that even if we were that it would be beyond Ancelotti.

[Rudy Can't Fail]

Strange, then, that Chelsea have been linked with Harry Redknapp so much of late. Someone had better tell them.

chelsea have also been linked with hughes as well.
http://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/sport/2304340.hughes_odds_slashed_for_chelsea_job/

Yawn. Check the date.  29th May 2008.

[Concrete John]

I think they'd seriously consider it after the way Redknapp turned comapred to Ramos. They've proven that a manager does not have to have prior expereince of the CL to qualify for it.

I really doubt it, particularly given who else is currently available.  What Redknapp has proven is that he has the ability to qualify for the CL with no prior experience of having done so, not that managers in general can.

Yet, if we were on a Spurs board at the time Redknapp was being discussed, you would be arguing he's the wrong man, based on what we've see on this thread?

[Chris Smith]

I think they'd seriously consider it after the way Redknapp turned comapred to Ramos. They've proven that a manager does not have to have prior expereince of the CL to qualify for it.

I really doubt it, particularly given who else is currently available.  What Redknapp has proven is that he has the ability to qualify for the CL with no prior experience of having done so, not that managers in general can.

He's shown that there are other factors to consider than being the biggest 'name' available.

As I said on the other thread, Ancelotti has zero experience of rebuilding a mid sized, mid table PL side operating under financial constraints.

[Concrete John]

What I am trying to do is present the case that a manager like Ancelotti may not be the answer simply because he's been the other side of the CL fence and won trophies there.

I agree.  My view is that he is the answer simply because he's the best manager of the names that have so far been mentioned.  I don't agree with Chris's idea that we are in a position that is crying out for a Moyes or Hughes to come in a do a massive rebuild, or that even if we were that it would be beyond Ancelotti.

Fair enough.  I think I'll leave it there as we're getting into a slightly circular argument here.       

[Concrete John]

Also, people who suggest  Ancelotti couldn't take us into the champions league because he needs to be at an established CL club like Milan or Chelsea are forgetting that he managed to do it with Parma courtesy of a runners up spot in Serie A.

I admit I don't have any great knowledge of Serie A, but how does that equate to doing something similar in modern the PL?  Do they have a vastly entrenched top 4 that nobody else can penetrate or are the top spots shared around more evenly?   

[hilts_coolerking]

Yet, if we were on a Spurs board at the time Redknapp was being discussed, you would be arguing he's the wrong man, based on what we've see on this thread?

I don't know.  Who else was around at the time?

[Rudy Can't Fail]

Should Houllier leave, Warrilow feels the club could find the perfect replacement in the shape of Hughes.

The former Wales and Manchester City manager enjoyed an excellent first season with Fulham and has an option to extend his deal at Craven Cottage.

Warrilow, though, feels Villa should strike before he exercises that option.

"Everyone knows that Mark Hughes has the opportunity to break his contract today at Fulham," he said.

"I think Mark Hughes would be an ideal choice.

"He has demonstrated that he can work well with a limited squad and I think that he won't have the personnel issues that Gerard Houllier seems to have had where he's fallen out with people and we've had expensive players on the books who weren't available for selection for one reason or another.

"I think Hughes would come in and he'd sort those kinds of issues out."

Nice chap that Peter Warrilow is, I would hope that our next manager has more to offer than sort out the issues/errors of GH.

Maybe it's a Brummie/Villa thing but my expectations are far higher than that. We have a wonderful opportunity to really build something now, not just correcting the mistakes but turning the whole football culture of our club upside down. If Hughes can do it, then fine but as I mentioned earlier, I'd really hate us to miss this golden opportunity by not getting in the right man.

[hilts_coolerking]

As I said on the other thread, Ancelotti has zero experience of rebuilding a mid sized, mid table PL side operating under financial constraints.

But isn't the crux of your argument that zero experience of doing something doesn't necessarily mean it can't be done?

[hilts_coolerking]

Fair enough.  I think I'll leave it there as we're getting into a slightly circular argument here.       

Agreed John!  As you said, you think Ancelotti should at least be considered so we're in broad agreement on his merits, regardless of what we think about Moyes and Hughes.

[luke25]

Also, people who suggest  Ancelotti couldn't take us into the champions league because he needs to be at an established CL club like Milan or Chelsea are forgetting that he managed to do it with Parma courtesy of a runners up spot in Serie A.

I admit I don't have any great knowledge of Serie A, but how does that equate to doing something similar in modern the PL?  Do they have a vastly entrenched top 4 that nobody else can penetrate or are the top spots shared around more evenly?   

Im not to sure but they did have Buffon, Thuram, Cannavaro, Veron, Almeyda, Sergio Concecao and Crespo to name but a few.

[Rudy Can't Fail]

I think they'd seriously consider it after the way Redknapp turned comapred to Ramos. They've proven that a manager does not have to have prior expereince of the CL to qualify for it.

I really doubt it, particularly given who else is currently available.  What Redknapp has proven is that he has the ability to qualify for the CL with no prior experience of having done so, not that managers in general can.

He's shown that there are other factors to consider than being the biggest 'name' available.

As I said on the other thread, Ancelotti has zero experience of rebuilding a mid sized, mid table PL side operating under financial constraints.

There are plenty more names out there other than Ancelotti that could do the job. I guess it depends on ambition and how comfortable we are being and staying a mid sized, mid table PL side.

[eastie]

http://www.fulhamchronicle.co.uk/london-sport/fulham-fc/2011/05/20/former-chelsea-chief-tips-fulham-boss-for-top-job-82029-28727545/

http://cc.fulhamfc.com/forum/topics/chelsea-want-mark-hughes-to

http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/notw/nol_sport/1226755/Carlo-Ancelotti-on-brink-as-Chelsea-target-Mark-Hughes.html

of course ancelotti should be considered but i disagree that top clubs wouldnt target hughes or moyes as they would, he was even linkedfor the chelsea job when mourinho went, and has a good reputation in the game as does moyes.

[Rudy Can't Fail]

http://www.fulhamchronicle.co.uk/london-sport/fulham-fc/2011/05/20/former-chelsea-chief-tips-fulham-boss-for-top-job-82029-28727545/

http://cc.fulhamfc.com/forum/topics/chelsea-want-mark-hughes-to

http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/notw/nol_sport/1226755/Carlo-Ancelotti-on-brink-as-Chelsea-target-Mark-Hughes.html

Glenn Hoodle and The News of the World. Cool.