Who Should be Aston Villa Manager ? Now with new, revised poll

[Chris Smith]

When Spurs were looking to recover from a failed manager they picked an Englishman with no experience of the top end of the table.

Meaning we should do the same?  When there are two CL winners (not to mention all the other things they've won) available?

Meaning that your suggestion that they wouldn't be looking at Moyes or Hughes is nonsense. Meaning that you don't have to have already been in the CL to qualify for it. Meaning that it was the right appointment for the situation Spurs found themselves in at the time.

[hilts_coolerking]

Interesting choice of words given that Ancelotti didn't do this either and instead was apointed manager of an established CL club.

I'm on record as saying I'd go for Moyes if I was Randy and won't change that now, although in honesty I'd also want to sound Ancelotti out and see if he would be committed to the longterm building up of the club.

That's a pretty weak argument John.  Yes they were already in the CL places but he kept them there.  I would have far more faith in him to get us there and keep us there than Moyes or Hughes, who have managed CL qualification once between them and not at all since 2004/5.  If that's where we are aiming to be, and I agree with you that we are (and should), then Moyes and Hughes simply have not done enough to convince me that they have the ability to do it.

With the emergence of Man City we're going to have our hands full just trying to finish 5th / 6th, let alone get into the CL.  So I think it will take someone markedly better than Moyes or Hughes to help us do that.

[N'ZMAV]

Why on earth has Curbishley got 2 votes?

[hilts_coolerking]

Meaning that your suggestion that they wouldn't be looking at Moyes or Hughes is nonsense. Meaning that you don't have to have already been in the CL to qualify for it. Meaning that it was the right appointment for the situation Spurs found themselves in at the time.

Mark's point was who would they appoint if they were managerless today.  They wouldn't appoint Moyes or Hughes.

[Rudy Can't Fail]

When Spurs were looking to recover from a failed manager they picked an Englishman with no experience of the top end of the table.

Meaning we should do the same?  When there are two CL winners (not to mention all the other things they've won) available?

Meaning that your suggestion that they wouldn't be looking at Moyes or Hughes is nonsense. Meaning that you don't have to have already been in the CL to qualify for it. Meaning that it was the right appointment for the situation Spurs found themselves in at the time.

Chris, I never mentioned at the time, I meant today.

[TheSandman]

I'm getting a wee bit concerned with these posts suggesting we should go for Martinez.

The one thing he has going for him is his style of football and perhaps the fact he is a very nice guy. Gerard Houllier attempted to play good football and was also a nice guy. If you look at Martinez's Wigan team you have probably the worst users of Kamikaze defending in the premier league. He has signed two defenders in the Caldwell brothers who make Zat Knight look like Baresi. If we thought our defence was bad this season he might make it a lot worse. As manager of Wigan he has battled relegation in each season in charge despite having players of genuine quality in N'Zogbia, McCarthy and Rodallega probably because of the Mitsubishi Zero pilots he calls a defence. They even have had good goalkeepers like Kirkland and Al Habsi who shipped huge numbers of goals. Other Wigan managers have done as well but guys like Bruce and Jewell are not being mentioned because they have been proven wanting. I'd love to be wrong as he seems like a really nice, intelligent guy and writing this post feels like kicking a puppy but I just don't see anything that makes me think he will be a better choice than say Hughes or Rafa let alone Ancelotti.

[Chris Smith]

Meaning that your suggestion that they wouldn't be looking at Moyes or Hughes is nonsense. Meaning that you don't have to have already been in the CL to qualify for it. Meaning that it was the right appointment for the situation Spurs found themselves in at the time.

Mark's point was who would they appoint if they were managerless today.  They wouldn't appoint Moyes or Hughes.

Perhaps not but that's because they're not looking for the same thing as us, it's a different job. They finished 5th last season after a good run in the CL. We finished 9th after flirting with relegation for large chunks of the season.

[Rudy Can't Fail]

I'm getting a wee bit concerned with these posts suggesting we should go for Martinez.

I wouldn't get too concerned, I expect Martinez iswell off our radar.

[hilts_coolerking]

Perhaps not but that's because they're not looking for the same thing as us, it's a different job. They finished 5th last season after a good run in the CL. We finished 9th after flirting with relegation for large chunks of the season.

I don't think one season of Houllier has undone all of the groundwork that was done by O'Neill.  As you say, we still finished 9th even after the turmoil caused by O'Neill's walkout and the worst run of injuries many of us can remember.  So I don't think there is as big a rebuilding job to be done as you do.  Certain players will have to be replaced, and replaced well, but in Darren Bent at least we are ahead of where we were a couple of seasons ago.

[Rudy Can't Fail]

Meaning that your suggestion that they wouldn't be looking at Moyes or Hughes is nonsense. Meaning that you don't have to have already been in the CL to qualify for it. Meaning that it was the right appointment for the situation Spurs found themselves in at the time.

Mark's point was who would they appoint if they were managerless today.  They wouldn't appoint Moyes or Hughes.

Perhaps not but that's because they're not looking for the same thing as us, it's a different job. They finished 5th last season after a good run in the CL. We finished 9th after flirting with relegation for large chunks of the season.

And Liverpool finished 6th after a small flirt with relegation too. Financially, I expect us to compete with both Spurs and Liverpool and realistically I can't see either of them breaking into the top 4. Are we really that different?

[MoetVillan]

If Hou goes, I do think the right decision would be to go for Moyes or Hughes.  I would ideally go for Moyes on achievements to date, as, Beckford aside, I think he has made some great signings, developed youth, and made a top 6 team with little cash.  My issue would be I think he is the future Manure manager, and he would want the job at our place to demonstrate he could make big money signings and be successful, furthering his CV.  I think Hughes would want the job as I think he wants to make a success HERE.  He was good at Wales, very good at Blackburn, did an ok job at City, which he was always going to be on a bit of a loser for, and done well at Fulham.  I think he would see Villa as a chance to mount a top four challenge.  He's a pretty knowledgable guy, I actually rate him quite highly.  And one thing you can be sure of, he would never ever ever field an understrength team against City.  Hunger, desire and down right anger would drive him.  Similar to SAF against Liverpool all those years ago.

[Chris Smith]

Perhaps not but that's because they're not looking for the same thing as us, it's a different job. They finished 5th last season after a good run in the CL. We finished 9th after flirting with relegation for large chunks of the season.

I don't think one season of Houllier has undone all of the groundwork that was done by O'Neill.  As you say, we still finished 9th even after the turmoil caused by O'Neill's walkout and the worst run of injuries many of us can remember.  So I don't think there is as big a rebuilding job to be done as you do.  Certain players will have to be replaced, and replaced well, but in Darren Bent at least we are ahead of where we were a couple of seasons ago.

We already need to replace NRC, with Young and Freidel almost certain to follow him and probably Heskey too. Then there's the two full backs, the inconsistent centre halves and the ageing Petrov. There is a lot of work to do.

[MoetVillan]

I looked at the voting, and the two for Alan Curbishley were placed by 1) a Mrs Curbishley and 2) Sev Blatter

[Chris Smith]

Meaning that your suggestion that they wouldn't be looking at Moyes or Hughes is nonsense. Meaning that you don't have to have already been in the CL to qualify for it. Meaning that it was the right appointment for the situation Spurs found themselves in at the time.

Mark's point was who would they appoint if they were managerless today.  They wouldn't appoint Moyes or Hughes.

Perhaps not but that's because they're not looking for the same thing as us, it's a different job. They finished 5th last season after a good run in the CL. We finished 9th after flirting with relegation for large chunks of the season.

And Liverpool finished 6th after a small flirt with relegation too. Financially, I expect us to compete with both Spurs and Liverpool and realistically I can't see either of them breaking into the top 4. Are we really that different?

Yes, because we've got a major rebuild on our hands and they haven't.

[pauliewalnuts]

Meaning that your suggestion that they wouldn't be looking at Moyes or Hughes is nonsense. Meaning that you don't have to have already been in the CL to qualify for it. Meaning that it was the right appointment for the situation Spurs found themselves in at the time.

Mark's point was who would they appoint if they were managerless today.  They wouldn't appoint Moyes or Hughes.

Perhaps not but that's because they're not looking for the same thing as us, it's a different job. They finished 5th last season after a good run in the CL. We finished 9th after flirting with relegation for large chunks of the season.

And Liverpool finished 6th after a small flirt with relegation too. Financially, I expect us to compete with both Spurs and Liverpool and realistically I can't see either of them breaking into the top 4. Are we really that different?

Yes, because we've got a major rebuild on our hands and they haven't.

Liverpool have a pretty major rebuild on their hands, too.