The future of Houllier and McAllister?

[Clampy]

Why do I get this uneasy feeling while reading this thread that some people would actually prefer it if Hotlips was more seriously ill than he appears to be just so he doesn't come back?

I don't want him to be any more ill than he already is and i don't want him to continue because i don't think he's the right man.

[gervilla]

Why do I get this uneasy feeling while reading this thread that some people would actually prefer it if Hotlips was more seriously ill than he appears to be just so he doesn't come back?

I don't want him to be any more ill than he already is and i don't want him to continue because i don't think he's the right man.

To want the man to be Ill ( or sicker than he is) would be pretty evil. Not wanting him to remain as manager is a different issue.

[hawkeye]

I have been a huge critic of GH after the Anfield and the FA Cup surrender. But based on the improvement over the last few months  I would be happy for him to continue the work he has started. But he isnt fit and healthy, there is a lot of uncertainty surrounding the club right now and this is the last thing we need after the turmoil of last season. We can not go through a summer of wait and see. The club needs certainty in the direction we are going.

[Greg N'Ash]

Way i see it if i sat down and listed the reasons for the relatively bad season i'd put them as follows in order of importance:

1. No decent investment in the summer, bad pre-season, bad fitness regime, ex-manager taking his eye off the ball in a big way.

2. Dissent in the camp, low morale, nutter slagging off the manager, sly gits giving anonymous press briefings and generally acting like twats

3. Manager's bad team selection, playing people out of position etc..

4. the rotten injury list at one point


1. Now, if he stayed that isn't going to happen again.

2. You'd hope any manager worth his salt will ship them out or at the least severely mark their card.

4. well IF we get an injury crisis like that again, hopefully the new manager will get some sort of decent squad. One of my biggest bugbears under MON was the lack of cover and how this seemed to be put down to fate. He got lucky and GH picked up the tab.


So given the above you'd hope next season we'd have an improvement which leaves 3.....


Now you'd hope a lot of his mistakes were due to lack of knowledge of his squad, trying to find a winning formula and experimenting. Hopefully he's the sort of manager who learns  from his mistakes rather than taking the MON approach of persevering with a player or tactic thats quite plainly disasterous but becomes an insane compulsion to prove your critics wrong (ie. Heskey and the 'right-back' epic). He Doesn't come across like that to me so i'm hopeful he won't be repeating past mistakes next season.


A lot of 'hopes' in the above but there you go.

[WALTERS WARRIORS]

Way i see it if i sat down and listed the reasons for the relatively bad season i'd put them as follows in order of importance:

1. No decent investment in the summer, bad pre-season, bad fitness regime, ex-manager taking his eye off the ball in a big way.

2. Dissent in the camp, low morale, nutter slagging off the manager, sly gits giving anonymous press briefings and generally acting like twats

3. Manager's bad team selection, playing people out of position etc..

4. the rotten injury list at one point


1. Now, if he stayed that isn't going to happen again.

2. You'd hope any manager worth his salt will ship them out or at the least severely mark their card.

4. well IF we get an injury crisis like that again, hopefully the new manager will get some sort of decent squad. One of my biggest bugbears under MON was the lack of cover and how this seemed to be put down to fate. He got lucky and GH picked up the tab.


So given the above you'd hope next season we'd have an improvement which leaves 3.....


Now you'd hope a lot of his mistakes were due to lack of knowledge of his squad, trying to find a winning formula and experimenting. Hopefully he's the sort of manager who learns  from his mistakes rather than taking the MON approach of persevering with a player or tactic thats quite plainly disasterous but becomes an insane compulsion to prove your critics wrong (ie. Heskey and the 'right-back' epic). He Doesn't come across like that to me so i'm hopeful he won't be repeating past mistakes next season.


A lot of 'hopes' in the above but there you go.

Looking at that assesment i like the fact that after a season he now knows where a lot of the weak links are/were. And in Jan he solved the one problem we have had for several years. "a goal scorer." I trust his knowledge and experience. So his position is now a complete gamble of him being ok health wise. Over a relapse. The latter resulting in a total collapse of our club. Surely Lerner will not take this risk when he has a great opportunity to learn from his previous mistakes and bringing back a wow factor which is seriously missing ......

[Jim Shoes]

I would not wish him any ill health but I do want him to leave now as I don't think he can continue with the pressure that being a EPL manager brings. Having read that he might stay on with a reduced work load could only work if we were persuade every other Premiership manager to do the same!

Had this illness not struck him then I would probably want him to stay on as I believe he was on the right track however we now need someone who is able to continue the work that GH has begun.

I really hope this can be sorted soon, GH have a wonderful retirement after all you have achieved in football you deserve it.

[Matt Collins]

Mat kendrick on twitter reporting 2 things.

Medical reports to be studied over coming days.

Board may over rule houllier even if he does want to return.

It's very hard to pick out our strategy at the moment. I'd be more confident if our track record was clearer. I remember when lots of us were getting worried about spiralling wage costs and being tetchily reassured by the general that they knew what they were doing; in hindsight I don't think they did at all!

[Nev]

From the events of the last few days one can only deduce the the club are confident in the ability of GH and wish him to continue as manager, provided there is no risk to his health. That would appear to be the strategy.

[Eigentor]

Mat Kendrick on Twitter also reports that an ultimate decision [on GH] is set to be made and announced by Wednesday next week.

[Concrete John]

Mat Kendrick on Twitter also reports that an ultimate decision [on GH] is set to be made and announced by Wednesday next week.

About 10 days after the season ends?  That's probably about the right time to act so that the majority of the summer is still infront of us and still not coming across like Chelsea/West Ham style arses.

[PaulWinch again]

Mat Kendrick on Twitter also reports that an ultimate decision [on GH] is set to be made and announced by Wednesday next week.

I hope that's true, it needs to be quick.

[Damo70]

From what I've heard and read in the last twenty four hours it seems that even if GH wants to return RL may take that decision out of his hands. Mutterings of concern for his health and the club having a duty of care to the employee seem to be laying a foundation for the powers that be relieving him of his duties 'for his own good'. Best bit of info was that either way we should know by Wednesday.

[achilles]

Best bit of info was that either way we should know by Wednesday.

Absolutely, one way or another lets move on!

[villa `cross the mersey]

Will the official site put up a countdown clock like they do with the next game......just four days to go before we appoint .......................... Bob Bradley !

[JUAN PABLO]

yeah thats the problem , most people wanting Houlier gone and then Mcclaren and Bradley and Allardice will be fighting for the job.