The future of Houllier and McAllister?

[Clampy]

I don't think you can forget some of daft things he did, but......well, he got us to finish ninth in the league in the end, beating Arsenal and Liverpool along the way. If the table doesn't lie when we're sitting at the bottom of it, I think you have to accept it's validity when we're halfway up it, too. So, if he's healthy enough to carry on, he deserves a shot at it.

Well, we spent most of the season in the bottom half of the table and we looked a dreadful team for most it. Only two unexpected but good wins put us up in 9th. The final position makes it not look as bad as it often was.

I think a change is needed personally, the place needs lifting again like it was when MON walked in.

[Ger Regan]

Well, we spent most of the season in the bottom half of the table and we looked a dreadful team for most it. Only two unexpected but good wins put us up in 9th. The final position makes it not look as bad as it often was.

I think a change is needed personally, the place needs lifting again like it was when MON walked in.

Can you not remember the buzz around here when we signed Bent? That sort of lift can be done without needing to change manager I think.

[Clampy]

Well, we spent most of the season in the bottom half of the table and we looked a dreadful team for most it. Only two unexpected but good wins put us up in 9th. The final position makes it not look as bad as it often was.

I think a change is needed personally, the place needs lifting again like it was when MON walked in.

Can you not remember the buzz around here when we signed Bent? That sort of lift can be done without needing to change manager I think.

Yes i do remember and that's the kind of lift i'm talking about, it was totally unexpected but Randy is not going to be shelling out that kind of money too often.

[frankmosswasmyuncle]

GH simply has a long standing health problem, like alot of guys his age, and needs to call it a day, irrespective of the job he is doing. For the good of the club, team, fans and all connected, it is the wise thing to say "Thanks Gerard, but for your sake and everyone else's, we need to plan NOW for the future. Bye bye". If he was as fit a flea, fine. But he ain't. And we shouldn't be putting him or our wonderful club through anymore doubt and uncertainty. Let's look for a new man NOW, and let the planning for an exciting 2011-12 begin!

[Villanation]

Whatever anybody thinks of Houllier he simply is not the future, if you love him you still can't envisage he's fit enough for the rigours of Premiership football and the pressure that follows, he couldn't hack it at Liverpool and i'm saying that with the greatest of respect to his former career.

Fact is Houllier health failed at a time that could have seen results turn very sour and we would easily be playing in the Championship now, his health failed at a time when we needed him to be at his strongest, we got lucky and survived, its in GH's interest and the clubs to shake hands and let the man go, IMHO.

[john e]

have the club not already said they are waiting for doctors reports and will make a decision next week, or did i read that wrong ?

[Villanation]

have the club not already said they are waiting for doctors reports and will make a decision next week, or did i read that wrong ?

I think this report is pending, but lets face it, even if they give him a clean bill of health no test on the planet can legislate for the kind of pressure that GH may face if the club is facing the kind of run in next season as he did this.

I was looking at him at the end of 90mins after a few of the poorer results through the last few months of this season, the guy looked wrecked, grey drawn old man with his anorak on, hound dog expression, mortified.

Nice enough bloke, wouldn't want to put him through any potential banners being waved next season though.


 

[DB]

have the club not already said they are waiting for doctors reports and will make a decision next week, or did i read that wrong ?

I think this report is pending, but lets face it, even if they give him a clean bill of health no test on the planet can legislate for the kind of pressure that GH may face if the club is facing the kind of run in next season as he did this.

I was looking at him at the end of 90mins after a few of the poorer results through the last few months of this season, the guy looked wrecked, grey drawn old man with his anorak on, hound dog expression, mortified.

Nice enough bloke, wouldn't want to put him through any potential banners being waved next season though.


 

He looked wrecked? So were most of Villa park at the end of each match!

[eastie]

There seem to be a lot of doctors and health experts posting on this thread- a respected surgeon has already said his problem wasn't stress related or job related and his heart is fine- the aorta was the problem and once healed there is no reason medically why he should not continue.

The question is should he continue based on the evidence of last season, not his health but his ability as a manager and it appears from the noises from geds friends and Gary mac that plans are well underway for pre season and houllier will be manager.

He needs to make many changes to the squad and let's see where he takes us but I think he will be staying as manager and that worries me to a degree , let's hope he gets the players in and out that be wants.

[andyh]

I think the question that the board should ask is, would they have offered Hollier the job in the first instance had they known there was a chance he could miss a significant part of the season due to an illness.
If the answer is no, they they have to let him go now.
If the answer is yes, then they obviously believe they have the very best man for the job.

 

[eastie]

I think the question the board need to ask is has GED on a football basis done enough to convince them he can take the club upwards , as I said yesterday maybe his illness has clouded the issue and I wonder if randy maybe had planned to sack him but now would find It difficult to do so in view of his illness and how the club and maybe randy would be portrayed if they decided to terminate his contract now?

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I think the question the board need to ask is has GED on a football basis done enough to convince them he can take the club upwards , as I said yesterday maybe his illness has clouded the issue and I wonder if randy maybe had planned to sack him but now would find It difficult to do so in view of his illness and how the club and maybe randy would be portrayed if they decided to terminate his contract now?

I think Randy would have accepted 9th at the beginning of Houlliers tenure.

[VillaAlways]

If the medical report says he can't continue, it won't cost the club as much . Sacking him now would cost a lot more.If the report says he's fit to work I think he's here to stay or else why bother waiting for the report ??

[Greg N'Ash]

I think the question the board need to ask is has GED on a football basis done enough to convince them he can take the club upwards , as I said yesterday maybe his illness has clouded the issue and I wonder if randy maybe had planned to sack him but now would find It difficult to do so in view of his illness and how the club and maybe randy would be portrayed if they decided to terminate his contract now?

I think Randy would have accepted 9th at the beginning of Houlliers tenure.

Aye, given all the off-field turmoil, the lack of investment last summer, the injury problems and the rebellious troublemakers i think its round about where we should be currently.

[eastie]

Well I say at the start that top 8 would be acceptable and we missed out by a point so I guess given the circumstances of the season it's very respectable, although it was close to being much much worse- as Saunders used to say you finish where you deserve to finish and the table doesn't lie.