The future of Houllier and McAllister?

[Greg N'Ash]

aye. while i can understand changing from zonal marking to man marking would confuse a thick person at the end of the day its only who covers who and in what area. it doesn't cover what you do when/if you tackle and win the ball and then what you do with it. And when Davies used to go walkies to the left of Luke young, well if thats a zonal system...there's something wrong with the zones.

[KidPoker]

Whilst I know odds mean next to nothing, and just highlight money placed on our next manager Skybet has Benitez and Hughes runaway favourites pretty much. McClaren behind at 7/1.

[Percy McCarthy]

marking isn't your defensive style. Maybe i've missed it but i haven't noticed Dunne or Collins spraying passes out all over the pitch or attempting to, but doing it crap. they've just been as they always have. But crapper

GH first blamed zonal coverage when asked specifically about the number of goals we were letting in from set-pieces. Honestly Greg, I couldn't care less if it was O'Neill or Trevor Fucking Francis who had us using the zonal system to defend set-pieces, the fact is it was effective. A pragmatic manager would have persevered with it, but GH must be dogmatic in his belief in man-marking. That's fine, he's on millions of pounds and under loads of stress to make those decisions. But to here him blame a system that he doesn't use is an insult to our intelligence really.

What you're talking about is Dunne and Collins' crap use of the ball constructively, I'm on about how they defend our goal, which is patently not the same as it was last season. 

[Percy McCarthy]

aye. while i can understand changing from zonal marking to man marking would confuse a thick person at the end of the day its only who covers who and in what area. it doesn't cover what you do when/if you tackle and win the ball and then what you do with it. And when Davies used to go walkies to the left of Luke young, well if thats a zonal system...there's something wrong with the zones.

Zonal coverage has nothing to do with open play. Explained well by Norm Crandles here:

http://www.heroesandvillains.info/forumv3/index.php?topic=42616.105

Not having a go here, but you can ask Norm for his coaching qualifications if you like! *wink*

[KevinGage]

If Houllier can't stay on as manager for next season because of his health, what do people think about Martinez? He did the buisness for Wigan when many thought they'd go down and is a young manager. I know a couple of Villa fans who wouldn't mind Martinez.

One to watch.

But not ready for a gig as big as the Villa.  Yet.

[Greg N'Ash]

aye. while i can understand changing from zonal marking to man marking would confuse a thick person at the end of the day its only who covers who and in what area. it doesn't cover what you do when/if you tackle and win the ball and then what you do with it. And when Davies used to go walkies to the left of Luke young, well if thats a zonal system...there's something wrong with the zones.

Zonal coverage has nothing to do with open play. Explained well by Norm Crandles here:

http://www.heroesandvillains.info/forumv3/index.php?topic=42616.105

Not having a go here, but you can ask Norm for his coaching qualifications if you like! *wink*

I'm still got getting what you're trying to say percy. Norm candles seems to be talking about set pieces or corners only. Is that it? are all our problems defending down to changing the way we defend set pieces? what about the other 85 minutes?

[Villa'Zawg]

aye. while i can understand changing from zonal marking to man marking would confuse a thick person at the end of the day its only who covers who and in what area. it doesn't cover what you do when/if you tackle and win the ball and then what you do with it. And when Davies used to go walkies to the left of Luke young, well if thats a zonal system...there's something wrong with the zones.

Zonal coverage has nothing to do with open play. Explained well by Norm Crandles here:

http://www.heroesandvillains.info/forumv3/index.php?topic=42616.105

Not having a go here, but you can ask Norm for his coaching qualifications if you like! *wink*

I'm still got getting what you're trying to say percy. Norm candles seems to be talking about set pieces or corners only. Is that it? are all our problems defending down to changing the way we defend set pieces? what about the other 85 minutes?

Why have you got yourself involved in a prolonged argument about zonal defence when you don't know what it is?

[Clampy]

aye. while i can understand changing from zonal marking to man marking would confuse a thick person at the end of the day its only who covers who and in what area. it doesn't cover what you do when/if you tackle and win the ball and then what you do with it. And when Davies used to go walkies to the left of Luke young, well if thats a zonal system...there's something wrong with the zones.

Zonal coverage has nothing to do with open play. Explained well by Norm Crandles here:

http://www.heroesandvillains.info/forumv3/index.php?topic=42616.105

Not having a go here, but you can ask Norm for his coaching qualifications if you like! *wink*

I'm still got getting what you're trying to say percy. Norm candles seems to be talking about set pieces or corners only. Is that it? are all our problems defending down to changing the way we defend set pieces? what about the other 85 minutes?

Why have you got yourself involved in a prolonged argument about zonal defence when you don't know what it is?

Come on VillaDawg, this is Greg who once famously claimed Paul Scholes could'nt tackle.

[Greg N'Ash]

aye. while i can understand changing from zonal marking to man marking would confuse a thick person at the end of the day its only who covers who and in what area. it doesn't cover what you do when/if you tackle and win the ball and then what you do with it. And when Davies used to go walkies to the left of Luke young, well if thats a zonal system...there's something wrong with the zones.

Zonal coverage has nothing to do with open play. Explained well by Norm Crandles here:

http://www.heroesandvillains.info/forumv3/index.php?topic=42616.105

Not having a go here, but you can ask Norm for his coaching qualifications if you like! *wink*

I'm still got getting what you're trying to say percy. Norm candles seems to be talking about set pieces or corners only. Is that it? are all our problems defending down to changing the way we defend set pieces? what about the other 85 minutes?

Why have you got yourself involved in a prolonged argument about zonal defence when you don't know what it is?

you should read back to the start of the conversation and break the habit of a lifetime instead of coming in half-assed as usual.. Percy reckons the whole defensive system has changed. Me, GH, and GMac say no. Apparently how we defend corners is the whole defensive system according to percy's link

[Greg N'Ash]

aye. while i can understand changing from zonal marking to man marking would confuse a thick person at the end of the day its only who covers who and in what area. it doesn't cover what you do when/if you tackle and win the ball and then what you do with it. And when Davies used to go walkies to the left of Luke young, well if thats a zonal system...there's something wrong with the zones.

Zonal coverage has nothing to do with open play. Explained well by Norm Crandles here:

http://www.heroesandvillains.info/forumv3/index.php?topic=42616.105

Not having a go here, but you can ask Norm for his coaching qualifications if you like! *wink*

I'm still got getting what you're trying to say percy. Norm candles seems to be talking about set pieces or corners only. Is that it? are all our problems defending down to changing the way we defend set pieces? what about the other 85 minutes?

Why have you got yourself involved in a prolonged argument about zonal defence when you don't know what it is?

Come on VillaDawg, this is Greg who once famously claimed Paul Scholes could'nt tackle.

well its not as funny as thinking the term j'ourneyman footballer' relates to the number of clubs he's played for *winky*

[Villa'Zawg]

aye. while i can understand changing from zonal marking to man marking would confuse a thick person at the end of the day its only who covers who and in what area. it doesn't cover what you do when/if you tackle and win the ball and then what you do with it. And when Davies used to go walkies to the left of Luke young, well if thats a zonal system...there's something wrong with the zones.

Zonal coverage has nothing to do with open play. Explained well by Norm Crandles here:

http://www.heroesandvillains.info/forumv3/index.php?topic=42616.105

Not having a go here, but you can ask Norm for his coaching qualifications if you like! *wink*

I'm still got getting what you're trying to say percy. Norm candles seems to be talking about set pieces or corners only. Is that it? are all our problems defending down to changing the way we defend set pieces? what about the other 85 minutes?

Why have you got yourself involved in a prolonged argument about zonal defence when you don't know what it is?

you should read back to the start of the conversation and break the habit of a lifetime instead of coming in half-assed as usual.. Percy reckons the whole defensive system has changed. Me, GH, and GMac say no. Apparently how we defend corners is the whole defensive system according to percy's link

Dials 999

Operator: "Emergency, which service do you require"
Gregnash: "The obfuscation squad and please hurry"

[Greg N'Ash]

i don't know what your point is Villadawg apart from trying to hide you've got  the wrong end of the stick as usual. Maybe you can supply some made-up stats again to prove that how you mark at corners is all that matters when defending

[Clampy]

aye. while i can understand changing from zonal marking to man marking would confuse a thick person at the end of the day its only who covers who and in what area. it doesn't cover what you do when/if you tackle and win the ball and then what you do with it. And when Davies used to go walkies to the left of Luke young, well if thats a zonal system...there's something wrong with the zones.

Zonal coverage has nothing to do with open play. Explained well by Norm Crandles here:

http://www.heroesandvillains.info/forumv3/index.php?topic=42616.105

Not having a go here, but you can ask Norm for his coaching qualifications if you like! *wink*

I'm still got getting what you're trying to say percy. Norm candles seems to be talking about set pieces or corners only. Is that it? are all our problems defending down to changing the way we defend set pieces? what about the other 85 minutes?

Why have you got yourself involved in a prolonged argument about zonal defence when you don't know what it is?

Come on VillaDawg, this is Greg who once famously claimed Paul Scholes could'nt tackle.

well its not as funny as thinking the term j'ourneyman footballer' relates to the number of clubs he's played for *winky*

In Association Football terms, that's exactly what it means, unless someone wants to correct me.

[Greg N'Ash]

they did at the time. a journeyman is someone adequate in their trade but nowt special. i.e. Zat Knight, not Maradona who's had a lot clubs.

[pablopicasso_10]

it usually means both... someone average in skill who has had lots of clubs...

like steve claridge..

although, its not an exact science...