The future of Houllier and McAllister?

[VillaZogmariner]

Ferguson aside, how many British managers have been a success in the Premier League over the past 5 years or so?

Depends on what you define as 'success'.  I'd say the following have done very well given what they could realistically achieve at the clubs involved:-

Moyes at Everton Has done well granted. But has also spent a fair wad of cash doing it. Still not learning from mistakes of bad starts
Hodgson at Fulham Then went to Liverpool and fucked up. Does well at small clubs, but struggles with larger clubs
Dalgleish at Liverpool A decent 6 months - too soon to say if he's been a success though - plus unrealistic to take over here
Coyle at Bolton One decent season - remember Paul Jewell, Danny Wilson and Boothroyd have all done that - next season will be the big one for him
Hughes at Blackburn/Fulham He's done well, although something about him I cannot stand, just can't work out what it is
And although it pains me to say it, Redknapp at Spurs Huge success, but unlikely to come to Villa Park

I phrased the question wrong - I meant about who we could realistically expect to take over from Houllier.

[VillaZogmariner]

Pulis - don't want his style of anti football at the Villa.

The point I was trying to make (albeit badly) is that if you look at what has been won over the past 5/10 years or so, there are not many British Managers in that list.

[Greg N'Ash]

true but they don't get the jobs at clubs who can realistically win trophies. If moyes had been at Manu or chelsea for the last three years then i think its likely he would have won something at least. Likewise Redknapp

[VillaZogmariner]

My question would be then "Why is it that British mangers rarely get the top jobs?"

[Eigentor]

My question would be then "Why is it that British mangers rarely get the top jobs?"

Because top clubs want proven winners as managers. And not many of them (except Ferguson) are British.

[VillaZogmariner]

My question would be then "Why is it that British mangers rarely get the top jobs?"

Because top clubs want proven winners as managers. And not many of them (except Ferguson) are British.

So why should we be any different then?

I want the best man for the job to take over, whether he is British, Spanish, Italian or Outer Mongolian.

[VillaZogmariner]

And I'd say the most successful British Manager over the past few seasons would be McLaren.

[Greg N'Ash]

Perception mainly. I think if you looked at the foreign managers in the premiership in the last 15 years, then the amount of failures and sucessess among them is pretty comparable to british managers but someone like Moyes is not considered sexy enough for a big club. Why give him a chance to become the next ferguson when a top british club can bring in a CL winner from abroad?

[not3bad]

People saying Rafa - because of his previous honours - are wrong. He was at clubs who were in a position to win things

Does that include Valencia?

[MoetVillan]

You could argue that SAF success has been to the detriment of other UK managers, as they have the best chance of breaking through on their own turf.  Manure has pretty much had a monopoly of the top of the league.  Its not their fault they are successful, but if that title had been shared around a bit more early on, there would have been more "successful" UK managers to consider.  The premier league though is a global league housed in the UK, and big time investments want winners.  So, by nature they look to the most successful managers they can find.   I have a feeling I have somewhat lost sight of my point due to writing a lot of shit, but the intention was good.  Apologies

[MoetVillan]

For what its worth, I think that Man United should and will be considering Moyes.  He has desire, he gets on with his job, he knows what he can achieve with his resources and he has tactical nouse.  I would be enthusiastic if Moyes came to us.  He may not be an initial fans choice, but I think there are comparisons with SAF in this too.  He was my pick when MON left. 

[Ger Regan]

For what its worth, I think that Man United should and will be considering Moyes.  He has desire, he gets on with his job, he knows what he can achieve with his resources and he has tactical nouse.  I would be enthusiastic if Moyes came to us.  He may not be an initial fans choice, but I think there are comparisons with SAF in this too.  He was my pick when MON left. 

Very unlikely that they would appoint him, I think, bearing in mind his relative lack of European experience.

[VillaZogmariner]

Manure will not be looking at Moyes - The Glazers will want a big name, proven in Champions League, manager. Someone like Mourinho.

[DB]

AF will have a huge say on who will be next, anyway I don't give a toss. For us, I want the best man for the job, being British is irrelavent.

[not3bad]

A lot of things people forget about his time at Inter is that he once again was working with idiots at board level.

He'll come here and it will be a settled environment at board level, and he will know that he will have a free hand to do what he wants to do with the team without any interference.

I'm actually swayed by this argument concerning Benitez, though I'm still worried about the palaver when we go to Anfield.