The future of Houllier and McAllister?

[richardhubbard]

Why we keep blamin mon, he went 9 months ago frog and muppet been in charge 8 months over30 games and spent30 million plus and took us to edge of relegation, they are to blame for god sake

He stripped the club of it's entire management 5 days before we kicked off, how fucking hard is that to understand? He may as well have set fire to the training ground as well, it was as close to a 'scorched earth' policy as its possible to carry out at a football club.

He not the reason for us loosing games this season, we had a manager in charge since

[Mazrim]

MON is the main reason this club has been in turmoil this season. And turmoil is the main reason we have struggled.
I cant believe anybody thinks otherwise.

[Chris Smith]

MON is the main reason this club has been in turmoil this season. And turmoil is the main reason we have struggled.
I cant believe anybody thinks otherwise.

Far too simplistic.

MON was not to blame for the inept, insipid, toothless display last week, for example. We've got a lot of good players but too many times the whole does not equal the sum of the parts. That's down to the managers not making the most of what they have at their dspsal.

[VillaZogmariner]

I can see what you are saying Chris, and in some respects I agree. However look at some of the key players from that side of last season -

Friedel - Age is against him, an average season for him this season at best.
Warnock - woefully off form and no interest in improving
Dunne - clearly came back overweight and unfit
Collins - off form
Cuellar - Unlucky not to have played more this season - our best central defender
Young - Key for us again this season, but each season he seems to have declined more
Petrov - Age has caught up with him now and was struggling to complete 90 mins every week
Milner - No longer with us
Downing - A revelation for us this season.
Agbonlahor - niggling injuries have caught up with him and struggled this season
Carew - No interest and forgot where the goal was.

So out of MoN's main XI last season I'd say there are 3 players who have performed well enough to be playing for a team challenging the top 7

[WALTERS WARRIORS]

MON is the main reason this club has been in turmoil this season. And turmoil is the main reason we have struggled.
I cant believe anybody thinks otherwise.

Far too simplistic.

MON was not to blame for the inept, insipid, toothless display last week, for example. We've got a lot of good players but too many times the whole does not equal the sum of the parts. That's down to the managers not making the most of what they have at their dspsal.

Ye totally agree CS. Initially we had injuries etc but having added Bent Kyle Walker and Makoun. There is no blaming MON any further. Houllier has had time to turn this team around. And he has failed miserably ......

[VillaZogmariner]

MON is the main reason this club has been in turmoil this season. And turmoil is the main reason we have struggled.
I cant believe anybody thinks otherwise.

Far too simplistic.

MON was not to blame for the inept, insipid, toothless display last week, for example. We've got a lot of good players but too many times the whole does not equal the sum of the parts. That's down to the managers not making the most of what they have at their dspsal.

This seasons problems all started last summer when MoN walked out - from there it's been a snowball effect.

[VillaZogmariner]

MON is the main reason this club has been in turmoil this season. And turmoil is the main reason we have struggled.
I cant believe anybody thinks otherwise.

Far too simplistic.

MON was not to blame for the inept, insipid, toothless display last week, for example. We've got a lot of good players but too many times the whole does not equal the sum of the parts. That's down to the managers not making the most of what they have at their dspsal.

Ye totally agree CS. Initially we had injuries etc but having added Bent Kyle Walker and Makoun. There is no blaming MON any further. Houllier has had time to turn this team around. And he has failed miserably ......

Has he? Since he managed to bring in Bent have a look at the form table - it's midtable form. Something I'd say this squad is capable of.

[hartman_1982]

MON is the main reason this club has been in turmoil this season. And turmoil is the main reason we have struggled.
I cant believe anybody thinks otherwise.

Far too simplistic.

MON was not to blame for the inept, insipid, toothless display last week, for example. We've got a lot of good players but too many times the whole does not equal the sum of the parts. That's down to the managers not making the most of what they have at their dspsal.

Ye totally agree CS. Initially we had injuries etc but having added Bent Kyle Walker and Makoun. There is no blaming MON any further. Houllier has had time to turn this team around. And he has failed miserably ......

He signed them player, we were the 7th best team in the country for 14 games and then he nearly died.

[Chris Smith]

I accept that the players have to take their share of the blame, VS, as do the board but when I try to think of much positive to say about what Houllier and co have done this season I struggle. He's been dealt a bad hand but he's compounded it by not playing it as well as he could.

[VillaZogmariner]

I accept that the players have to take their share of the blame, VS, as do the board but when I try to think of much positive to say about what Houllier and co have done this season I struggle. He's been dealt a bad hand but he's compounded it by not playing it as well as he could.

As Hartman has pointed out though Chris, from when he managed to start bringing in his players and to when he got rushed to hospital we were the 7th best side in the league during that time. So you could see that things were starting to work out. Look at the Bolton away match too, 2 mistakes and a missed penalty cost us that match. Those are things you'd be crazy to blame Houllier for.

Over them matches I'd seen enough from the team to know that we were starting to head in the right direction.

[Greg N'Ash]

It amazing how some people think if MON has stayed we'd have carried on more or less less as we had. Despite losing our best player and replacing him with... erm Ireland, despite being 3 stone overweight, Dunne would have been Player of the year under MON, and despite looking well past it, the likes of Carew and Heskey would have suddenly been knocking the goals in. And of course MON would never have had an injury crisis. Actually thats probably true as it pretty hard to get injured if you don't train.

[Chris Smith]

Over them matches I'd seen enough from the team to know that we were starting to head in the right direction.

I'm not convinced. I haven't seen a good performance at home since Blackburn in February with the Wolves and Wigan games being as bad as it gets.

Yes, we're better that we were and have done enough to stay up but for the group of payers we have that's damning with faint praise.

[Chris Smith]

It amazing how some people think if MON has stayed we'd have carried on more or less less as we had.

It's amazing that you think anyone thinks that.

The failure to invest last summer saw to that.

[Greg N'Ash]

yeah and we didn't invest because we had a squad of duffers we couldn't get rid off. which explains our season and why MON jumped before he was pushed - QED.

[VillaZogmariner]

Over them matches I'd seen enough from the team to know that we were starting to head in the right direction.

I'm not convinced. I haven't seen a good performance at home since Blackburn in February with the Wolves and Wigan games being as bad as it gets.

Yes, we're better that we were and have done enough to stay up but for the group of payers we have that's damning with faint praise.

Out of interest, with the players we have, where should we be?