The future of Houllier and McAllister?

[levico]

Thing is, we don't need other clubs necessarily to turn around the goal margin - we'll do that for them by losing heavily against Arsenal and Liverpool.

[Villafirst]

Well West Ham can't catch us. The second place may well go to Blackburn if they fail to get anything at Wolves next week - even if they do Wolves will finish below us, that leaves Wigan tommorow finishing below us if they fail to defeat West Ham. Can't really see Blackpool defeating Man Utd next week with their leaky defence. It's really crap having to stress over this though..... Randy, get rid of this management team fast!!!

[holtepaul]

 Listen - I could go on and on - there have been many many other things - but I cannot think of ONE thing the supporters have done this year that would be considered embarrassing - so tell me - why are we an embarrassment ?

For a start there's the supporter who's telling a director that the manager shouldn't be at a match.

Oh is that right Dave

How about this one then

There is a manager who tells two players that are paid £100000 per week not to attend matches, or even bother come to training.

Or a manager who tells a player who signed  weeks before, he didn't really want him

Shall I go on..................

[Rawly]

Well said holtepaul

[Dave Cooper please]

Well one was for a breach of club discipline, similar punishments happen at many clubs.

The other was because he, err, didn't really want a player that was signed before he became manager, I assume we are talking Ireland here? Well if that's the case he was in tune with approximately 90% of the fans on this one I reckon!

[pauliewalnuts]

Paulie - as well as look at the money spent on the team, how much of that money was spent by Houllier? Look at the players he inherited - a clearly unfit fat c*** Dunne. The likes of Collins, Warnock, Beye who have been seriously out of form and not giving a shit either way. Then add into the mix Ireland. I'm not saying Houllier is a great choice as manager, and he has made some strange selection choices (I'm talking about Cuellar there), but we have been nowhere as bad as a lot of people are making out. Especially since Bent came in and he was starting to get a settled spine to the team.

That's all well and good, and it was always going to be difficult this season, but to turn a squad from top six into bottom six with the subtraction of one very good midfielder for half the season plus the addition of one very good goalscorer, well, that is utterly unacceptable.

There's nothing settled about this team, and "spine" is the last word I would associate with it. A good portion of that blame lies with the players, but the manager is ultimately responsible.

My main argument/gripe though is twats coming out and saying that Houllier should not be allowed to attend the Liverpool match. He's the fucking manager of the club. ASTON VILLA FOOTBALL CLUB MANAGER is his job title (or could be Head Coach), so to say he shouldn't be at the match is a fucking joke. I'd be more pissed off if he was told he were fit enough to attend the match and not bother going.

He's not attending in his capacity as our manager, though, is he? He's not going to be giving team talks or sitting on the bench. If you imagine the situation where we need something from that game, and there's a love-in between our manager and their fans, it doesn't really take much to imagine why people might be very, very pissed off.

It shouldn't be like that, you're right, but that doesn't change the fact that it is. Like so many fuck ups this season, this is entirely avoidable.

[dave.woodhall]

 Listen - I could go on and on - there have been many many other things - but I cannot think of ONE thing the supporters have done this year that would be considered embarrassing - so tell me - why are we an embarrassment ?

For a start there's the supporter who's telling a director that the manager shouldn't be at a match.

Oh is that right Dave

How about this one then

There is a manager who tells two players that are paid £100000 per week not to attend matches, or even bother come to training.

Or a manager who tells a player who signed  weeks before, he didn't really want him

Shall I go on..................

That's a new definition of 'embarassment' -  "He did something I don't agree with." How DARE he? - he'll be turning up to matches next.

[holtepaul]

Sorry Dave are you for real.

Villa park and Bodymoor Heath have been one embarrassment after another this season

Sorry kid, but this is nothing to do with "something I don't agree with".

This is,  Aston Villa Football Club going from one crisis to another in a season that has been worse than any I can remember since Billy McNeill (far worse than GT2 and worse than DOL)

Now, after suffering the boos , banners , national radio phone ins and we all know what after our manager making a total embarrassment and laughing stock after visiting Anfield in November, people seem happy to let the club maybe put themselves into a position that it will happen again.

And why ? - you tell me one bloody reason Houllier needs to attend the game. He won't be anywhere near the changing room , dug out, players, officials, anything. He will be the only wya he can isitting in the stands with you and I - the only way he can influence anything on the pitch is if he streaks !

So why on earth put ourselves in the position that fans will be more interested on how Houllier reacts to any chants from Scouse fans than what is occurring on the pitch.

If he comes back in August as manager and we have 'The Mighty Reds YNWA' first game , that is different, he is MANAGER

Next week, he is there as "OBSERVER" - and can I ask why he intends to observe the game against the club he loves - not tomorrow.

Only he knows - but why even put yourself , and the club in the position of wondering.

Sorry mate, yet another bad move from a club that has had one bad move after another this season.

Th club is a farce at the moment, the worst I have EVER seen it. And that includes all the dark days I have seen.  So dont say I am the embarrassment.

lSometimes loving someone means telling the truth - not sticking your head in the sand believing and accepting everything the person you love does.

[Rawly]

Holtepaul.     Nobody will argue with that statement if they love villa

[davevillan]

Paulie - as well as look at the money spent on the team, how much of that money was spent by Houllier? Look at the players he inherited - a clearly unfit fat c*** Dunne. The likes of Collins, Warnock, Beye who have been seriously out of form and not giving a shit either way. Then add into the mix Ireland. I'm not saying Houllier is a great choice as manager, and he has made some strange selection choices (I'm talking about Cuellar there), but we have been nowhere as bad as a lot of people are making out. Especially since Bent came in and he was starting to get a settled spine to the team.

That's all well and good, and it was always going to be difficult this season, but to turn a squad from top six into bottom six with the subtraction of one very good midfielder for half the season plus the addition of one very good goalscorer, well, that is utterly unacceptable.

There's nothing settled about this team, and "spine" is the last word I would associate with it. A good portion of that blame lies with the players, but the manager is ultimately responsible.

My main argument/gripe though is twats coming out and saying that Houllier should not be allowed to attend the Liverpool match. He's the fucking manager of the club. ASTON VILLA FOOTBALL CLUB MANAGER is his job title (or could be Head Coach), so to say he shouldn't be at the match is a fucking joke. I'd be more pissed off if he was told he were fit enough to attend the match and not bother going.

He's not attending in his capacity as our manager, though, is he? He's not going to be giving team talks or sitting on the bench. If you imagine the situation where we need something from that game, and there's a love-in between our manager and their fans, it doesn't really take much to imagine why people might be very, very pissed off.

It shouldn't be like that, you're right, but that doesn't change the fact that it is. Like so many fuck ups this season, this is entirely avoidable.

Paulie. You make a few valid points, but if we look at it closely, we can also give valid reasons for why things have been poor this season. the side that finished top 6 was basically the same 11 week in, week out. With all the injuries we have had this season, its shown the squad wasnt good enough, dont forget, at times our only fit striker was The Fonz, and our midfield was decimated to the point we had to play Ciaren Clark in midfield, yet when he tries to do something about it by bringing Pires in, he got slaughtered by some. Also, with trying to play a different style, to our last manager, maybe these players cant play that way? Maybe if he can carry on, with a proper pre season, and getting his own players in, playing his way, we will see us back up in the top 7 again next season??

[pauliewalnuts]

Holtepaul.     Nobody will argue with that statement if they love villa

You can't be a Villa fan and have a different opinion to you? Right. Thanks for letting us know.

[Rawly]

Fuck off paulie

[pauliewalnuts]

Paulie - as well as look at the money spent on the team, how much of that money was spent by Houllier? Look at the players he inherited - a clearly unfit fat c*** Dunne. The likes of Collins, Warnock, Beye who have been seriously out of form and not giving a shit either way. Then add into the mix Ireland. I'm not saying Houllier is a great choice as manager, and he has made some strange selection choices (I'm talking about Cuellar there), but we have been nowhere as bad as a lot of people are making out. Especially since Bent came in and he was starting to get a settled spine to the team.

That's all well and good, and it was always going to be difficult this season, but to turn a squad from top six into bottom six with the subtraction of one very good midfielder for half the season plus the addition of one very good goalscorer, well, that is utterly unacceptable.

There's nothing settled about this team, and "spine" is the last word I would associate with it. A good portion of that blame lies with the players, but the manager is ultimately responsible.

My main argument/gripe though is twats coming out and saying that Houllier should not be allowed to attend the Liverpool match. He's the fucking manager of the club. ASTON VILLA FOOTBALL CLUB MANAGER is his job title (or could be Head Coach), so to say he shouldn't be at the match is a fucking joke. I'd be more pissed off if he was told he were fit enough to attend the match and not bother going.

He's not attending in his capacity as our manager, though, is he? He's not going to be giving team talks or sitting on the bench. If you imagine the situation where we need something from that game, and there's a love-in between our manager and their fans, it doesn't really take much to imagine why people might be very, very pissed off.

It shouldn't be like that, you're right, but that doesn't change the fact that it is. Like so many fuck ups this season, this is entirely avoidable.

Paulie. You make a few valid points, but if we look at it closely, we can also give valid reasons for why things have been poor this season. the side that finished top 6 was basically the same 11 week in, week out. With all the injuries we have had this season, its shown the squad wasnt good enough, dont forget, at times our only fit striker was The Fonz, and our midfield was decimated to the point we had to play Ciaren Clark in midfield, yet when he tries to do something about it by bringing Pires in, he got slaughtered by some. Also, with trying to play a different style, to our last manager, maybe these players cant play that way? Maybe if he can carry on, with a proper pre season, and getting his own players in, playing his way, we will see us back up in the top 7 again next season??

I can see the positive things he has done, it is not all bad, not at all. I've seen him get us to try to start playing the ball around a bit more. Yes, he was also very unfortunate with injuries. I also understood why he brought Pires in.

On the other hand, he has alienated himself from the fans from day one (in fact, from before day one), humiliated us in the Cup, and failed to achieve an acceptable finish even by his own low estimation of us (7th-12th).

There is no way whatsoever this squad should have spent most of the season in the bottom six.

I can't see how he can carry on next season, given the gigantic chasm that exists between him and GM and the support at the moment.

[Nev]

Excuse me. Swearing on ITV, swearing here, I'm writing to the Daily Mail!

[pauliewalnuts]

Fuck off paulie

Bye.