The future of Houllier and McAllister?

[Concrete John]

If the players are playing up then yes, that's extremely unprofessional of them and they do not deserve the money they are on or the honour of playing for Aston Villa.  However, when a new manager comes in his first job is to motivate the players and get them hungry for success and wanting to be part of his new era at the club.  Gezza has failed to do that.  A stronger personality in the dressing room, such as say David Moyes, wouldn't have seen the unrest we have had this season.

It's the players fault they did it, but the manager's that they thought they could get away with it.

[Rip Van We Go Again]

Mods - I don't wish to ruin the fun but should Jack not be taken undercover somewhat? Just to protect young Chris.

Are you saying we should Jack off?

[JackH]

Just read Eastie's post from P39.
Can't quite work out whether he doesn't trust me because I'm 1000's of miles away or if he does trust me but doesn't like that I'm breaking confidence.

Sounds like a dick.

Am I allowed to say that? Ah well, I did, eh.
I came on to share a little bit more but fuck it if that's people's attitude.

[Holte L2]

Considering all these bizarre tactics etc we've a better record since Christmas than Man City and Spurs in the league.

But our run- in post Christmas looked to be pretty straight forward.  We only had Manchester United out of the top teams to play.

[VillaZogmariner]

Considering all these bizarre tactics etc we've a better record since Christmas than Man City and Spurs in the league.

But our run- in post Christmas looked to be pretty straight forward.  We only had Manchester United out of the top teams to play.

But the way people go on about it on here you'd think we were the worst team in the league since Christmas.

[eastie]

Not a question of not trusting you jack, but telling a public forum what your cousin tells you in confidence is hardly doing chris any favours .

I was being polite and not sure that warrants your reply,  just because you disagree you do not have to throw insults about at people.

[VillaZogmariner]

To be fair he didn't call you a dick, just said you sounded like one!

[Holte L2]

Considering all these bizarre tactics etc we've a better record since Christmas than Man City and Spurs in the league.

But our run- in post Christmas looked to be pretty straight forward.  We only had Manchester United out of the top teams to play.

But the way people go on about it on here you'd think we were the worst team in the league since Christmas.

I know.  But the performances have been shambolic. 

There's only the Everton and West Ham matches where we played like anything towards our potential.

For the first time in 20 years I've been very disolusioned, and I had season tickets through DOL and Sir Graham Part Deux

[Concrete John]

It's easy enough to pick any particular segment of the season and use it to illustrate how good/bad we can be, but it's the run between game 1 and game 38 that is the only one that really counts.

In that's we'll be bottom half and on 40 something points, which is simply not good enough.

[Merv]

Considering all these bizarre tactics etc we've a better record since Christmas than Man City and Spurs in the league.

But our run- in post Christmas looked to be pretty straight forward.  We only had Manchester United out of the top teams to play.

If that's true, then that's not bad at all. And I don't think you can split hairs about the difficulty of the games - we're looking at essentially half a season there, not a run of ten easy games.

[Mazrim]

Just read Eastie's post from P39.
Can't quite work out whether he doesn't trust me because I'm 1000's of miles away or if he does trust me but doesn't like that I'm breaking confidence.

Sounds like a dick.

Am I allowed to say that? Ah well, I did, eh.
I came on to share a little bit more but fuck it if that's people's attitude.

Jack, nobody is giving you any shit. Please, share what you know.

[Villa'Zawg]

Considering all these bizarre tactics etc we've a better record since Christmas than Man City and Spurs in the league.

Eh? We've taken a point or 2 more than the likes of Wigan, west Ham and Blues since Christmas.

[Villa'Zawg]

Since 25th December 2010

1   Manchester United    20   13   3   4   37   18   19   42
2   Chelsea    19   12   3   4   36   18   18   39
3   Liverpool    19   11   3   5   38   19   19   36
4   Arsenal    19   9   8   2   35   20   15   35
5   Manchester City    18   10   3   5   30   18   12   33
6   Everton    18   8   6   4   30   23   7   30
7   Fulham    19   8   5   6   29   21   8   29
8   Tottenham Hotspur    19   7   8   4   26   23   3   29
9   Stoke City    19   7   4   8   25   22   3   25
10   Newcastle United    19   5   7   7   24   26   -2   22
11   Aston Villa    19   5   7   7   26   30   -4   22
12   Wolverhampton Wndrs    19   6   4   9   23   32   -9   22
13   Bolton Wanderers    18   6   2   10   19   25   -6   20
14   West Ham United    18   5   5   8   25   33   -8   20
15   West Bromwich Albion    19   5   6   8   28   39   -11   21
16   Birmingham City    19   5   6   8   19   34   -15   21
17   Wigan Athletic    19   4   8   7   23   31   -8   20
18   Blackburn Rovers    18   4   5   9   19   28   -9   17
19   Sunderland    18   5   2   11   20   35   -15   17
20   Blackpool    20   3   5   12   25   42   -17   14

[TheSandman]

He doesn't mean Christmas he must mean since Kenny Dalglish took charge at Liverpool which was January 19th.

Illustrates the effect of the 'Bent Bounce' more than anything to me.

What is our record over Houllier's (and I guess McAllister's) time in charge?

[Villa'Zawg]

He doesn't mean Christmas he must mean since Kenny Dalglish took charge at Liverpool which was January 19th.

Illustrates the effect of the 'Bent Bounce' more than anything to me.

What is our record over Houllier's (and I guess McAllister's) time in charge?

1   Manchester United    31   19   8   4   59   27   32   65
2   Manchester City    31   17   6   8   49   31   18   57
3   Arsenal    31   16   8   7   55   35   20   56
4   Chelsea    31   16   7   8   46   29   17   55
5   Liverpool    31   16   5   10   55   34   21   53
6   Everton    31   12   13   6   46   37   9   49
7   Tottenham Hotspur    31   12   12   7   45   41   4   48
8   Stoke City    31   12   6   13   41   36   5   42
9   Bolton Wanderers    31   11   7   13   42   42   0   40
10   Fulham    31   9   11   11   38   35   3   38
11   Sunderland    31   10   8   13   36   48   -12   38
12   Newcastle United    31   9   10   12   43   46   -3   37
13   West Bromwich Albion    31   9   9   13   47   59   -12   36
14   Aston Villa    31   8   11   12   39   49   -10   35
15   Blackburn Rovers    31   9   7   15   37   50   -13   34
16   Birmingham City    31   7   12   12   29   46   -17   33
17   Wigan Athletic    31   6   14   11   34   46   -12   32
18   West Ham United    31   7   11   13   38   51   -13   32
19   Wolverhampton Wndrs    31   9   5   17   35   54   -19   32
20   Blackpool    31   7   8   16   41   59   -18   29

Includes the Wolves away win before they started making changes.

Taken from Statto Custom Table - Clicky where you can put in any date range.