The future of Houllier and McAllister?

[ozzjim]

I think Houllier should be retained at the club in a technical role IMO. The club have suffered from having no football voice in the board room. He would give a very credible steer in that respect.

Managers would still come and work with him, as long as they had a say in transfers and were involved in that aspect.

Gary Mac cannot be assistant though, whoever is number 2.

[Clampy]

I think Houllier should be retained at the club in a technical role IMO. The club have suffered from having no football voice in the board room. He would give a very credible steer in that respect.

Managers would still come and work with him, as long as they had a say in transfers and were involved in that aspect.

I'm not sure i'd like it too much if we had a manager who did'nt have a final say on who we brought in, it's a road i would'nt like us to go down.

[OzVilla]

Depends which way we went when seeking a new Manager but I know the type of Manager i'd like, Jol, Moyes, Hiddink, Van Gaal most probably wouldn't want GH upstairs.

The likes of Houghton, Lambert, Coyle might.

So I hope it's not an option.

[hawkeye]

I dont think people are thinking the GH DOF thing through.
What about the players that GH has issues with, the new man may want need to keep some on board , who is setting out the way we play? GH has firm ideas on this so the new man has to go along with this? Wont this determine the players we buy, keep,loan?
If GH had established a successfull club and structure it might be different. He hasnt though. Moving GH to DOF would immediately create conflict with the new bloke unless we want to hire a yes man.

[Steve67]

I want a new Manager. Houllier can go upstairs, I have no problem with that, but let a proper management team come in and call the shots with the coaching, buying players etc. We are a joke club at the moment with a chief clown in charge in McAllister.  Every time he opns his mouth, he talks rubbish.

[ozzjim]

I dont think people are thinking the GH DOF thing through.
What about the players that GH has issues with, the new man may want need to keep some on board , who is setting out the way we play? GH has firm ideas on this so the new man has to go along with this? Wont this determine the players we buy, keep,loan?
If GH had established a successfull club and structure it might be different. He hasnt though. Moving GH to DOF would immediately create conflict with the new bloke unless we want to hire a yes man.

I think you are getting the role totally wrong though. I would advocate Houllier had a say in suggesting players etc, but the final call is the managers. However, setting up the infrastructure of the club, the scouting down to the very youngest level, the negotiating etc, could be handled by a guy in a technical director roll. Something Liverpool, Spurs, Chelsea and most clubs abroad are already running.

[hawkeye]

What has GH done at Villa to sugest that we should be creating a role for him? nothing.
The issue is he is the Manager and it hasnt worked so lets create a new job for him. So its now technical director. I do not have an issue with the idea of Technical Director or Director of Football. I have a problem with changing the structure of the club because the bloke cant handle the job we emplyed him for. You recruit the person for the job not create the job for the person. This is just basic business sense.

[Villa'Zawg]

I dont think people are thinking the GH DOF thing through.
What about the players that GH has issues with, the new man may want need to keep some on board , who is setting out the way we play? GH has firm ideas on this so the new man has to go along with this? Wont this determine the players we buy, keep,loan?
If GH had established a successfull club and structure it might be different. He hasnt though. Moving GH to DOF would immediately create conflict with the new bloke unless we want to hire a yes man.

I think you are getting the role totally wrong though. I would advocate Houllier had a say in suggesting players etc, but the final call is the managers. However, setting up the infrastructure of the club, the scouting down to the very youngest level, the negotiating etc, could be handled by a guy in a technical director roll. Something Liverpool, Spurs, Chelsea and most clubs abroad are already running.

Who are the technical directors at Liverpool, Spurs and Chelsea?

[Dante Lavelli]

Comoli/Dalglish, Levy, Arnesen (or did he recently leave).

[Dante Lavelli]

It looks like Blanc is about to quit as the manger of France.  One of Europe's best young(ish) managers.  I'd double check what his involvement is with this whole quota thing but assuming his words have been misconstrued then he could be our man.

The is a good chance that he would be in favour of the signings that Houllier has lined up too.

[pauliewalnuts]

Comoli/Dalglish, Levy, Arnesen (or did he recently leave).

Comolihandles player acquisitions at Liverpool.  Levy is the Spurs chairman.

[Villa'Zawg]

Comoli/Dalglish, Levy, Arnesen (or did he recently leave).

Comolihandles player acquisitions at Liverpool.  Levy is the Spurs chairman.

And I think Arnesen is a talent scout.

[Dante Lavelli]

Comoli/Dalglish, Levy, Arnesen (or did he recently leave).

Comolihandles player acquisitions at Liverpool.  Levy is the Spurs chairman.

And I think Arnesen is a talent scout.

You're right, certainly about Levy but both Comoli and Arnesen were at spurs at some point so they do/have used the system.  Regardless they all perform functions that a Technical Director / DoF could perform at Villa. 

As far as I am aware these things are currently (largely) the responsibility of the Manger.  Add in the fact that our Head Scout has also left and I personally think that there is a need for someone at villa with some footballing experience to be at Director level, be that Houllier or someone else.

[Gulf Villa]

GH has set up the backroom team, that has oversaw a total shambles of a season, this includes a Villa legend as a player, but unproven as a coach of men, not boys. A guy who was not suitable for the number 1 job, and a nob of a failure, who has now shown even more failures as a number 1 than he did as a number 2.
GMc has no health issues, from what we have seen of his man management,tactics and general know how, the team will be no more of a shambles that what they are now, if the physio takes over for the remaining 2 games.
 GH as soon as the season is over, thanks but no thanks, GMc clears his locker this morning and maybe this will also send a message from the board, that the 5 year plan, did not have a zero mising from it, when it was first revealed.
No one in a senior position at Villa should walk away from this season, without having a long hard look if they are in the right business, that includes the Chairman and the board, because the waster that started all this last August, was at the end of the day given permission by those above him.

[TonyD]

GH deserves sweet FA and should not be moved upstairs.   I want him gone asap and take his clown with him.   It has been  a cursed season.