The future of Houllier and McAllister?

[Rip Van We Go Again]

Bounty's have dissected coconut in them.

I absolutely love Bounty's. Do they still make Bounty ice cream bars back home? Don't get them here. Bastard Canadian government.

Still do 'em.

I'd happily kill for a dark chocolate Bounty.

[not3bad]

The thing that gets me in this is the effect Houllier's illness has had. Flash back to the game before that and we had started to pick up and were getting points. People were much more positive about Houllier due to that run as we were all but safe.

I really do think had his illness not happened we might have beat Stoke and West Brom and would probably not be calling for him to be sacked.

Regardless of results, a man who has had a second dissected aorta should not be under the pressure of Premier League management.

VD is spot on with this.
It defies all reasoning for him to carry on.

Remember that he's carrying this problem at the age of 63.

I didn't think his problem had anything to do with stress though. Just something that could happen to him at anytime.

I'm not a doctor, as you might have guessed.

Hypertension is the main cause of a dissected aorta. Stress = hypertension

Besides the two times his condition has been aggravated is when he's been in charge of a premier league team, you can't ignore that correlation.

[Toronto Villa]

Bounty's have dissected coconut in them.

I absolutely love Bounty's. Do they still make Bounty ice cream bars back home? Don't get them here. Bastard Canadian government.

Still do 'em.

I'd happily kill for a dark chocolate Bounty.

yep, let no man, woman, child or beast stand between me and a Bounty. I'll be making a trip home in a couple of weeks. Let it be known to all, that the stock of Bounty ice cream bars in the UK will be depleted.

That is all.

[Legion]

I've just stuck you one in the post aswell.

[Merv]

I suppose the difference is the role a Director of Football has compared to a manager.

If Houllier leaves in the summer, Gary Mac would go with him and Sid's role may change or disappear,  plus the goalie coach, what Graham was proposing was that the D of F oversaw everything, and then if there was a change in the Head Coach it wouldn't leave the carnage we had when O'Neill left taking all his staff with him, if Houllier and his team leave in the summer we would have to start again.

In the current set up Houllier is answerable to everything on the football side, whereas the D of F is almost a job for life and the Head Coach is responsible for the results on the pitch, the only major upheaval you have then is if you decide the D of F is not up to scratch.

Oh yes, I realise that. I just meant that the board seemed to have listened 100% to GT in terms of the personnel involved.

In terms of limiting upheaval, etc, I'm not so sure this applies. If the head coach is duff and the results are poor, he's out; then we're left recruiting for a new Head Coach who probably won't be a proven PL or top-class manager because he won't want to work under a DoF. For me, the DoF has to come under some sort of scrutiny at some stage - I don't see it being a job for life, by any means, and I can't think of too many examples where a DoF has been successfully in place for any length of time at a club.

It's a tough one. Even if GH now moves into more of a DoF role, we can't have Gary Mac as Head Coach or manager, so we still need to find a new manager/Head Coach. Not to mention the financial burden of paying a DoF AND a first team manager/Head Coach.

What's clear is that some poor choices have been made. It's all getting a bit messy. We could kind of have the right sort of structure in place if GH's role is altered, but we still need that manager type. I don't think Kevin Mac would have been right, and Gary Mac definitely isn't.

[Risso]

Bounty's have dissected coconut in them.

I absolutely love Bounty's. Do they still make Bounty ice cream bars back home? Don't get them here. Bastard Canadian government.

That intrigued me, so I've just spent five dull minutes reading about Canadia's trade restriction on imports of ice-cream.  Fascinating stuff.  The fascists in Toronto also banned the use of mayonnaise on the various hot dog stalls around Toronto if my memory serves me well.

[Chris Smith]

The Bounty Hunters, they came in search of Paradise...

[Bosco81]

Oh yes, I realise that. I just meant that the board seemed to have listened 100% to GT in terms of the personnel involved.

What's clear is that some poor choices have been made. It's all getting a bit messy. We could kind of have the right sort of structure in place if GH's role is altered, but we still need that manager type. I don't think Kevin Mac would have been right, and Gary Mac definitely isn't.

I think appointing GH as manager instead of D of F is like buying Kyle Walker and playing him left back, right person, wrong position.

Personally I'd get rid of Houllier and McAllister and start afresh, as it's clear to me that neither of them are up to the job, and more importanly they just "don't get Villa".

Appointing the right person in the first place is obviously the key, whether we've got the people at the club to do that is debateable.

We need to be ruthless and make an early decision, I certainly trust RL to do it with a bit of class as he has done in the last 5 years.

[Risso]

Oh yes, I realise that. I just meant that the board seemed to have listened 100% to GT in terms of the personnel involved.

What's clear is that some poor choices have been made. It's all getting a bit messy. We could kind of have the right sort of structure in place if GH's role is altered, but we still need that manager type. I don't think Kevin Mac would have been right, and Gary Mac definitely isn't.

I think appointing GH as manager instead of D of F is like buying Kyle Walker and playing him left back, right person, wrong position.

Personally I'd get rid of Houllier and McAllister and start afresh, as it's clear to me that neither of them are up to the job, and more importanly they just "don't get Villa".

Appointing the right person in the first place is obviously the key, whether we've got the people at the club to do that is debateable.

We need to be ruthless and make an early decision, I certainly trust RL to do it with a bit of class as he has done in the last 5 years.

He just needs to make the right decision.  Making classy wrong decisions is not what we need.

[Concrete John]

My biggest concern is going for people who are out of work only.  Firstly, it limits your options and secondly, there may be a very valid reason why they're not presently employed.

[Merv]

Just read those three last posts - Bosco, Risso, John - and found myself nodding to all of them.

[Kevin Dawson]

The Bounty Hunters, they came in search of Paradise...

Thought they were after Han Solo.....

[Bosco81]

My biggest concern is going for people who are out of work only.  Firstly, it limits your options and secondly, there may be a very valid reason why they're not presently employed.

That is the downside with Randy and his moral compass, perhaps we can get Doug back as recruitment consultant, couldn't stand the bloke but he knew who he wanted and by and large got his man, certainly in the cases of BFR and Brian Little.

[Toronto Villa]

Bounty's have dissected coconut in them.

I absolutely love Bounty's. Do they still make Bounty ice cream bars back home? Don't get them here. Bastard Canadian government.

That intrigued me, so I've just spent five dull minutes reading about Canadia's trade restriction on imports of ice-cream.  Fascinating stuff.  The fascists in Toronto also banned the use of mayonnaise on the various hot dog stalls around Toronto if my memory serves me well.

I haven't purchased a hot dog from a street vendor in a good while. Not since the Toronto Indy Car event I attended in 1999 that didn't end well. We should leave it at that. Not sure on the mayo thing, but you've convinced me to go check now. I will report back sir in a timely manner.

As for the ice cream thing. Firstly, let me state for the record that I love ice cream in any format. But Bounty and Snickers (are they still called Marathon at home?) are my favourite with Mars coming a close 3rd. If any ice cream connoisseurs could advise of anything new and exciting on that front it would be appreciated.

[Toronto Villa]

I've just stuck you one in the post aswell.

Nice one. I'll take what I can get. It's still cold here so it might survive the journey