The future of Houllier and McAllister?

[SteveD]

There's no point being sentimental about it. I want Houllier to recover and live a happy and fulfilled retirement but I don't want him in charge after this summer. There are now big question marks on his health, not to mention his record and aptitude for the modern Premiership. I'm more concerned with the dynamics involved with any new manager coming in, so it doesn't particularly matter to me whether Houllier has some pipe and slippers role at the club, but only if that is what the new boss wants. Randy letting Houllier go, with a little good grace, would in the long term do all parties a big favour.

[Clark W Griswold]

The only way i could see this as anything but the worst season the club has had since we last got promoted is if we win all of the last 3 games, putting us on 50 points.
Just to recap, a team that finished 6th and got to a cup final and cup semi final last season (albeit playing turgid football much of the time) has;

Lost to Blues in one cup, to see them go on to win it.
Lost to the Wolves for the first time in roughly 30 years. And at home.
Lost to the Albion for the first time in roughly 25 years.
Surrendered in another cup.
Given away countless goals in the last 5 mins.
Flirted with relegation, and still won't be far off if we don't win next week against Wigan.
Had numerous reports of unrest in the squad.

Who do i blame? Everyone at the club with any connection to the playing side is fair game, except a handful of players.

Positives;

Signing Darren Bent, and his subsequent contribution, without which it would have been even worse.
The emergence of some decent young talent, particularly Albrighton.

We need a revolving door in the summer, including the manager, who i wish a speedy recovery.

"Surrendered in another cup."  - tell me what did the "Great" O'Neil do in the Europa League against Moscow, also how many times did he surrender the Carling Cup until last season?.

Just for the record i am NOT a Houllier fan i don't want him here next season and if i'm honest i don't want McAllister here past tomorrow, but If The "Great" O'Neil had done the honourable thing and left at the start of last summer I am pretty certain Houllier & McAllister wouldn't be at villa. As it was obvious from 5 days before the season started that this season was gonna be a wreck and it was only stupid people that would have thought deferent and would take on the job.

Who said O Neill was 'Great'?
I'm not sure whether you are agreeing with me or not, from your tone i'm thinking you aren't but from what you've wrote i'm thinking you are. Are you confused?

[Mister E]

We're in as big a mess as we were in 1987.

No we're not.

[Somniloquism]

"Surrendered in another cup."  - tell me what did the "Great" O'Neil do in the Europa League against Moscow, also how many times did he surrender the Carling Cup until last season?.

The Moscow debacle was awful and then heaped pressure on the next league game which caused us to choke. You would have though lessons would have been learnt at the club that we don't throw in the towel in those ways as it doesn't work, especially when either manager actually admits they were throwing the game as they did not think it would be winnable.

I would argue though that the above two examples are different then using the squad in matches against lower league opposition.It is a good tactic to blood players and use the rest of the squad which although it can backfire, in most cases the players should be good enough to overcome those teams. I would have had no problem with Houllier doing that against Burnley or Sheffield Utd and the only reason we didn't was more down to the bare bones of the squad.

[stuart445]

"Surrendered in another cup."  - tell me what did the "Great" O'Neil do in the Europa League against Moscow, also how many times did he surrender the Carling Cup until last season?.

The Moscow debacle was awful and then heaped pressure on the next league game which caused us to choke. You would have though lessons would have been learnt at the club that we don't throw in the towel in those ways as it doesn't work, especially when either manager actually admits they were throwing the game as they did not think it would be winnable.

I would argue though that the above two examples are different then using the squad in matches against lower league opposition.It is a good tactic to blood players and use the rest of the squad which although it can backfire, in most cases the players should be good enough to overcome those teams. I would have had no problem with Houllier doing that against Burnley or Sheffield Utd and the only reason we didn't was more down to the bare bones of the squad.

after the moscow game my mate told me that if we get champs league then that man would have been justified.  so i'll do the same If (which i think we will) stay up then man city FA Cup game is justified.

anyway as soon as the season ends Houllier should be moved upstairs and McAllister should be sacked.

[JJ-AV]

Fuck it, just get Moyes. Get him to bring Baines with him and he can build a solid backline to go with the quality we have in the final third.

He's a Villa manager waiting to happen.

[Holtenderinthesky]

Fuck it, just get Moyes. Get him to bring Baines with him and he can build a solid backline to go with the quality we have in the final third.

He's a Villa manager waiting to happen.

I like it.

[Shrek]

What annoys me most, is how much we have spent in the last few years on our defence and it's now shit!

[Des Little]

What annoys me most, is how much we have spent in the last few years on our defence and it's now shit!

True but Friedel was never going to be long term, neither was Dunne really I guess.  Beye was (and still is) a complete mystery, and Carlos has been well and truly dicked about.  Shorey wasn't good enough either. 

I think our major bollock drop was the Cahill sale, but we all know this...oh how I'd like our centre two to be Cahill and Clark next season.

And we'll still need both full backs replacing...the mind boggles.

[oodman]

this farce reminds me of someone I used to work with. Really nice chap but fucking shit at the job

[WALTERS WARRIORS]

Perfect opportunity to start fresh. Not knocking Houllier but he was not ever our first choice manager and Mcallister was 3-4th choice assistant. It has gone horribly wrong. And now is the time to appoint a new management team.  Clear out all the players who are not up to the required standard and start again, using the sales to build a new "era" .......

[Legion]

Who was our first choice, then?

[KevinGage]

What annoys me most, is how much we have spent in the last few years on our defence and it's now shit!

True but Friedel was never going to be long term, neither was Dunne really I guess.  Beye was (and still is) a complete mystery, and Carlos has been well and truly dicked about.  Shorey wasn't good enough either. 

I think our major bollock drop was the Cahill sale, but we all know this...oh how I'd like our centre two to be Cahill and Clark next season.

And we'll still need both full backs replacing...the mind boggles.

Not that anyone shed a tear when they departed (and I'm certainly not going to be hypocritical and say I always knew we'd miss them) but Ridgewell and Hughes have carved out decent careers as a LB and CB respectively.

Probably not the first names you'd immediately think of when it came to the whole 'proud history bright future' tagline. But they couldn't be much worse than some of their replacements in recent years.

[Toronto Villa]

If GH can't continue and we do get Moyes, I hope he gets off to a better start to a season than he's done in recent years at Everton. Heaven knows what this place would be like if in December we're sitting 3rd from bottom.

[Risso]

If GH can't continue and we do get Moyes, I hope he gets off to a better start to a season than he's done in recent years at Everton. Heaven knows what this place would be like if in December we're sitting 3rd from bottom.

His Everton teams nearly always finish above Villa though, so he must be doing something right.