The future of Houllier and McAllister?

[cheltenhamlion]

I get where they were coming from though. The senior folk at the club seemed genuinely hurt by MON walking out at the eleventh hour. I can understand why they were reticent to bring someone in who was prepared to do the very same to their current club.

I think Houllier will go this summer and I would be very surprised if the first name on the list to speak to wasn't David Moyes.

[Shrek]

So when we got 8 points from 4 games it's nothing to do with the management, now we unluckily lost it's all the management's fault.? Hmmm

I'm not sure if we unluckily lost somehow. We lost against a team who were poor with 11 men on the pitch, never mind 10, and then our manager goes and makes a complete balls up of a substitution which he did'nt need to make.

We lost because we couldn't score, we had our most attacking team out and finished the game as attack minded as possible.

The management cannot be blamed for players making terrible decisions when in the attacking third, or for having a winger who demands to take every set piece yet he cannot cross anymore.

[TopDeck113]

The management cannot be blamed for players making terrible decisions when in the attacking third, or for having a winger who demands to take every set piece yet he cannot cross anymore.

On the contrary, I think they're very much to blame for allowing this to perpetuate.

[Clampy]

So when we got 8 points from 4 games it's nothing to do with the management, now we unluckily lost it's all the management's fault.? Hmmm

I'm not sure if we unluckily lost somehow. We lost against a team who were poor with 11 men on the pitch, never mind 10, and then our manager goes and makes a complete balls up of a substitution which he did'nt need to make.

We lost because we couldn't score, we had our most attacking team out and finished the game as attack minded as possible.

The management cannot be blamed for players making terrible decisions when in the attacking third, or for having a winger who demands to take every set piece yet he cannot cross anymore.

Brian Clough would'nt have let players dictate who takes the free kicks, if that is indeed the case. He's scored one set piece this season.

As for ending the game with an attacking team, yes, we had 4 wingers across the midfield and no centre midfield whatsoever.

[Shrek]

The management cannot be blamed for players making terrible decisions when in the attacking third, or for having a winger who demands to take every set piece yet he cannot cross anymore.

On the contrary, I think they're very much to blame for allowing this to perpetuate.

Yeah but because we have a stupid policy of not giving long contracts, players like Ash have all the aces. He knows he will not be dropped and just basically does what he likes and unfortunately we are not the same team when Ash isn't playing.

[barrysleftfoot]

   Shrek is right.I've calmed down a bit now, and with 60% of posession , how did we lose that game?

We have lost more points from winning positions than any other team in the Prem.We have not kept a clean sheet away from home since when?We do not have enough bad losers in our team.You watch the players reaction when Olbion scored, it was not anger it was acceptance.......not good enough.

  Yes GH has made mistakes this year, but not as many as some of the senior players.It is now getting to the stage where i am thinking how many of these mistakes are intentional.Their lack of professionalism has been embarrassing.

  I would like GH to stay tbh, but i will not lose any sleep if he goes, but i would be gutted if players like Dunne, Collins, Petrov, Beye, Warnock, Heskey , Carew, i could add a few more to that list as well, are still here next season.

  We are a poor mans Arsenal, all skill no bottle.

[midnite]

So, Rob Beasley was on Sunday supplement saying jose mourinho has had two premier league clubs contact him about coming back to the EPL next season. Was Randy one of them you think?

[Holte L2]

I've been to every game this season, so now it's time for a rant!

I didn't want Houllier in the first place, but being a Villa Supporter, unduely gave him my full backing.  The appointment was a disaster from day one starting with the announcement that in his press conference he was yet to sign the contract, didnt know his start date, and stated we were a top twelve team.  Cheers Gerrard.

I was at the Blackburn League Cup game and was pleased with the style of football. Emile scored with his first touch and played like Pele.  The fact Phil Thompson turned the Assistant Managers job worried me.  I was even more concerned when he appointed Garry Mac.  A good friend of mine is a Boro season ticket holder, another one Leeds.  And they both said he was  a disaster and lost both dressing rooms. 

I have to admit to beig very pleased with the performances against Spurs away, Fulham away, and Man Utd at home.  For me, It all went wrong at Blackburn away.  The players gave the reaction that they didnt know their own individual roles, and their wasn't any inspiration of leadership coming from the bench. 

Then as we know the wheels with the came off.  I can't forgive Houllier for waving at the Kop, during that dissmal defeat.  It was minus 7 that night, and cost the best part of 100 pounds to make the trip, and the time spent off work etc. We should have dismissed him then or at leasrt gave him a final warning.  I've been deflated ever since the City away performance and the Sunderland at home game.  Then should have been the time to get rid.  Whatever we think of the players, and they are accountable, the bulk stops with the manager. He's lost the dressing room and that isn't going to change.

[TopDeck113]

So, Rob Beasley was on Sunday supplement saying jose mourinho has had two premier league clubs contact him about coming back to the EPL next season. Was Randy one of them you think?

Do you think we want that moaning, purveyor of negative football anywhere near Villa Park...?

If there's any truth to the rumour, I'd say the two clubs are Man City and Chelsea (I'd love to see an apologetic Abramovich grovelling). Arsenal as an outside bet.

[TopDeck113]

Whatever we think of the players, and they are accountable, the bulk stops with the manager.

Sums up Richard Dunne.

[eric woolban woolban]

Randy is in a tough situation here.

He can't fire Houllier for what he has been through but can he be diplomatic and move him upstairs.

However, then you have to wonder who would want to manage when there is a DOF negotiating tranfers. Certainly not Moyes or Hughes.

Can only think of promoting Kevin McDonald.

McAllister has to be the sacrifice.

Maybe medical advice will be Randy's saviour.

[VillaZogmariner]

So, Rob Beasley was on Sunday supplement saying jose mourinho has had two premier league clubs contact him about coming back to the EPL next season. Was Randy one of them you think?

Do you think we want that moaning, purveyor of negative football anywhere near Villa Park...?

If there's any truth to the rumour, I'd say the two clubs are Man City and Chelsea (I'd love to see an apologetic Abramovich grovelling). Arsenal as an outside bet.

Spurs and Man City are my bets

Redknapp to Chelsea and Mancini to Juventus

[sfx412]

why can't he sack Houllier, is there legal precedent against sacking managers who are susceptible to heart problems.
Sentiment is fine when it suits but we are talking here of a multimillion pound company sinking on the back of being nice.
A decision needs making now we can't unload all the overpaid dross Mon bought that easily and someone new needs to be in charge soonest to take over the clubs leadership, especially as Faulkner is as dynamic as an anaemic tortoise, to ensure as much of what quality we have stays.

[stuart445]

The only way i could see this as anything but the worst season the club has had since we last got promoted is if we win all of the last 3 games, putting us on 50 points.
Just to recap, a team that finished 6th and got to a cup final and cup semi final last season (albeit playing turgid football much of the time) has;

Lost to Blues in one cup, to see them go on to win it.
Lost to the Wolves for the first time in roughly 30 years. And at home.
Lost to the Albion for the first time in roughly 25 years.
Surrendered in another cup.
Given away countless goals in the last 5 mins.
Flirted with relegation, and still won't be far off if we don't win next week against Wigan.
Had numerous reports of unrest in the squad.

Who do i blame? Everyone at the club with any connection to the playing side is fair game, except a handful of players.

Positives;

Signing Darren Bent, and his subsequent contribution, without which it would have been even worse.
The emergence of some decent young talent, particularly Albrighton.

We need a revolving door in the summer, including the manager, who i wish a speedy recovery.

"Surrendered in another cup."  - tell me what did the "Great" O'Neil do in the Europa League against Moscow, also how many times did he surrender the Carling Cup until last season?.

Just for the record i am NOT a Houllier fan i don't want him here next season and if i'm honest i don't want McAllister here past tomorrow, but If The "Great" O'Neil had done the honourable thing and left at the start of last summer I am pretty certain Houllier & McAllister wouldn't be at villa. As it was obvious from 5 days before the season started that this season was gonna be a wreck and it was only stupid people that would have thought deferent and would take on the job.

[Des Little]

Houllier can move into a head of scouting role, McAllister can go and play on the M6 and we should get Moyes, Hughes or Lambert in.  We're in as big a mess as we were in 1987.