The future of Houllier and McAllister?

[TopDeck113]

the trouble is we have a squad of hoofers. perfect for MON and his ilk but useless for any manager wanting it passed. Get rid of GH if you want but unless you get another hoofball merchant in charge, the next manager will have the same problem unless he sells them quick

Whether we have or haven't got footballers who can play a beautiful passing game is irrelevant.  The art of good management in any line of work is to walk into an organisation and look at what is working and what needs fixing.  Unless the organisation is fundamentally flawed - and three sixth placed finishes would suggest we were anything but - you don't impose unnecessary changes.

What Houllier and his team has done is decided on how we're going to play regardless of the personnel and imposed a style and system that manifestly isn't working.  Our previously rock-solid defence didn't particularly need fixing, but it sure to goodness does now.   Rank bad management.

[Greg N'Ash]

 i think your asking a bit much to expect GH to try and mimic MON's style for the sake of suiting the players. For a start he'd be useless at it. He obviously thought there was some technical ability in some of them to adapt, but obviously he was wrong...

[KevinGage]

 

  Dear God KG, you would trust the current players for next season?

 Get rid of Collins, Dunne, Warnock, NRC, Petrov, Heskey , Carew, Beye, LYoung, Friedel.Bring in sreplacements, then judge.

All those players are on good contracts apart from Carew and I reckon we would not get more than £20m for them all and that is if you can find any clubs who want them and the players will go and it would cost at least £40m to replace them

There is that. And the fact that they've been reliable, solid performers in the past (except Beye/ Heskey - they've pretty much always been a waste of time).

It could be that the likes of Friedel, Dunne and Warnock are in terminal decline. Or it could be that a new manager and new approach (plus new team mates to challenge them) gets them back to performing close to their best.

For me that's still a possibility, though I accept for others they think 'that's it enough. Get rid.'

[Ad@m]

the trouble is we have a squad of hoofers. perfect for MON and his ilk but useless for any manager wanting it passed. Get rid of GH if you want but unless you get another hoofball merchant in charge, the next manager will have the same problem unless he sells them quick

Whether we have or haven't got footballers who can play a beautiful passing game is irrelevant.  The art of good management in any line of work is to walk into an organisation and look at what is working and what needs fixing.  Unless the organisation is fundamentally flawed - and three sixth placed finishes would suggest we were anything but - you don't impose unnecessary changes.

What Houllier and his team has done is decided on how we're going to play regardless of the personnel and imposed a style and system that manifestly isn't working.  Our previously rock-solid defence didn't particularly need fixing, but it sure to goodness does now.   Rank bad management.

Spot on.

These are generally class players.  In Bent, Downing and Young we've got three players who would walk into pretty much any team in the division.  In Gabby, Albrighton, NRC, Makoun, Friedel, Young, and Collins we've got players who would walk into any team in the division bar the big boys.

Yes, this season they've played below what we've come to expect of them but that's not because they're poor players.  It's probably a little bit of loss of form but the main blame has to lie with the management.

We need to get rid of Houllier and McAllister as soon as possible and start looking for replacements.  There was widespread disgust with Randy for not acting more quickly when MON walked out - he shouldn't make the same mistake again.  If we can have a decent team in place for the start of the summer then we have the best chance of being prepared by the time next season starts.

[JJ-AV]

I'd be happy with Houllier staying if his health is up to it. However, I really don't want Gary Mac, and if he can't convince Bergues or Phil Thomson to come then I'd be up for a complete overhaul.

This can't go on.

[Greg N'Ash]

I'd be happy with Houllier staying if his health is up to it. However, I really don't want Gary Mac, and if he can't convince Bergues or Phil Thomson to come then I'd be up for a complete overhaul.

This can't go on.

yep, i really wouldn't be happy if we have garymac at the start of the season waiting for GH return. He just doesn't inspire me at all. Apart from his record he just doesn't look manager material to me. To my mind we should have brought someone in till the end of the season or until GH is declared fit or not.

[fredm]

They declared GH as being fit for this season - and look what happened.  What if this had happened 4 weeks earlier where would we have been if the last two results are anything to go by?

I cannot see that RL can allow GH to be in charge next season, it is like waiting for a time bomb to go off. 

Actually I was looking forward to the close season as I believe GH would have brought some interesting players in and shipped some out.  However, and I wish him a speedy and healthy recovery, I am afraid that RL and Aston Villa FC cannot take the chance on this happening again and on the Monday following the Liverpool match I would hope to see a club statement thanking GH for his service and wishing him well for the future.

[mozza]

It's our first defeat in5 and was very close...now there are calls to sack the management-where was this thread during the last four weeks? Fucking no where. I call this knee jerk. And very boring.

Without wishing to fall out with a fellow Villa supporter - if you were there today and paid out £42 and couldn't
even have a half time pint and then witnessed a shambolic performance in the second half and a bewildering
substitution into the bargain I believe you would understand a knee jerk reaction and arguably a genuine fear
that Mssrs Houllier & McAllister either haven't got a clue what they are doing or have alienated half the squad -   

[dicedlam]

Does anybody think that if Houllier were to continues in his present role, he will move McAllister out? somehow I dont think so.

I'm sorry. It hasn't worked out for lots of reasons. Time to change.

[OzVilla]

Didn't understand the appointment at the time and seen nothing to make me change my mind since.

Please get rid Randy or we'll be in terrible strife next season.

[Legion]

Didn't understand the appointment at the time and seen nothing to make me change my mind since.

Please get rid Randy or we'll be in terrible strife next season.

I think I'm in a minority here, but I want Houllier to be given a chance next season, health permitting. G-Mac can sling his hook, though.

[WikiVilla]

Time for a rethink Lerner

[Legion]

Time for a rethink Lerner

Love the respect there for what Mr. Lerner has done for us.

[OzVilla]

I'm sorry, Lerner/Faulkner shouldn't be getting away so easily from this shambles. 

This was a shocking appointment on so many levels, the initial dithering, their refusal to look at candidates already in work then hiring a bloke that then couldn't start immediatley (which seemed to take us by surprise) and obviously the choice itself (the reason it surprised everyone was that no one in their right mind would have gone for him - even the bookies didn't list him and they'll list everyone they can think of FFS!).

I just hope that Randy and the Board are also having a long hard look at how they went about the whole recruitment process and get their act together for the Summer.

[WikiVilla]

Time for a rethink Lerner

Love the respect there for what Mr. Lerner has done for us.

Not begrudging any of that, Mr Lerner has done wonders for us, but now he needs to act in a way we've not seen yet
Is he beyond criticism or any sort of questioning when things aren't going to plan ? I hope not to see that day