Quote from: pauliebentnuts on April 30, 2011, 07:51:51 PMToronto - "a difficult period in the plan" - isn't that putting it somewhat lightly?This is year five and in playing terms, we're more or less where we were in 2006, except with a really expensive striker, and having spent a gigantic amount of money.The anger has been there all season, so it's a little unfair to ask where it was yesterday or the day before. Pick a match thread at random from this season and you'll see the same old problems over and over. The problems have been there the whole time. Today was a reminder that they're *still* there, and it's really not good enough.And the problems will be there until he can rid the club of the players that cannot do the job. It's all good and well throwing bombs at the manager. But some of the players have simply not done the job.
Toronto - "a difficult period in the plan" - isn't that putting it somewhat lightly?This is year five and in playing terms, we're more or less where we were in 2006, except with a really expensive striker, and having spent a gigantic amount of money.The anger has been there all season, so it's a little unfair to ask where it was yesterday or the day before. Pick a match thread at random from this season and you'll see the same old problems over and over. The problems have been there the whole time. Today was a reminder that they're *still* there, and it's really not good enough.
Quote from: Percy on April 30, 2011, 07:39:58 PMQuote from: toronto villa on April 30, 2011, 07:36:51 PMQuote from: Percy on April 30, 2011, 07:33:37 PMQuote from: toronto villa on April 30, 2011, 07:31:46 PMQuote from: Percy on April 30, 2011, 06:07:54 PMQuote from: toronto villa on April 30, 2011, 05:08:11 PMQuote from: VillaSubmariner on April 30, 2011, 05:06:19 PMI really can't get my head around people blaming Houllier for today's result. Neither can I but you know they've been lying dormant for the past couple of weeks itching to give it another go. He wasn't at the game but somehow he caused our defeat. I find that kind of thinking borderline mental.So a manager takes over a moderately successful football team and turns it into a shambles. He goes on the sick, leaving the assistant he appointed in charge, and surprise surprise, the football team continues to be a shambles. Who do you blame then?so what business would you compare football to? When did managing football players or changing tactics in sport, versus people in an or factory become similar occupations?I'm not here to tell you the garden is rosy. Far from it. I consider this a difficult period in the plan. But I'm certainly not about to claim the sky is falling in either which was absolutely guaranteed to be the position for some as soon as we lost a game.Fixed.yes, nothing like re-writing history to suit your argument. I think you can also find books on what cuddly bloke Hitler written in 1943 Germany.I haven't re-written my argument at all, I just simplified it for you as you seemed to be having trouble understanding the analogy.Not having trouble understanding it at all Percy. I'm just not ready to jump into the lifeboat with you. I'm not happy about today, but I don't think today displays close to the end product. Where was this outpouring of anger yesterday? We had the same manager, assistant, coaches and players. Where was the panic then? One game shouldn't change the way people feel about the entire situation.
Quote from: toronto villa on April 30, 2011, 07:36:51 PMQuote from: Percy on April 30, 2011, 07:33:37 PMQuote from: toronto villa on April 30, 2011, 07:31:46 PMQuote from: Percy on April 30, 2011, 06:07:54 PMQuote from: toronto villa on April 30, 2011, 05:08:11 PMQuote from: VillaSubmariner on April 30, 2011, 05:06:19 PMI really can't get my head around people blaming Houllier for today's result. Neither can I but you know they've been lying dormant for the past couple of weeks itching to give it another go. He wasn't at the game but somehow he caused our defeat. I find that kind of thinking borderline mental.So a manager takes over a moderately successful football team and turns it into a shambles. He goes on the sick, leaving the assistant he appointed in charge, and surprise surprise, the football team continues to be a shambles. Who do you blame then?so what business would you compare football to? When did managing football players or changing tactics in sport, versus people in an or factory become similar occupations?I'm not here to tell you the garden is rosy. Far from it. I consider this a difficult period in the plan. But I'm certainly not about to claim the sky is falling in either which was absolutely guaranteed to be the position for some as soon as we lost a game.Fixed.yes, nothing like re-writing history to suit your argument. I think you can also find books on what cuddly bloke Hitler written in 1943 Germany.I haven't re-written my argument at all, I just simplified it for you as you seemed to be having trouble understanding the analogy.
Quote from: Percy on April 30, 2011, 07:33:37 PMQuote from: toronto villa on April 30, 2011, 07:31:46 PMQuote from: Percy on April 30, 2011, 06:07:54 PMQuote from: toronto villa on April 30, 2011, 05:08:11 PMQuote from: VillaSubmariner on April 30, 2011, 05:06:19 PMI really can't get my head around people blaming Houllier for today's result. Neither can I but you know they've been lying dormant for the past couple of weeks itching to give it another go. He wasn't at the game but somehow he caused our defeat. I find that kind of thinking borderline mental.So a manager takes over a moderately successful football team and turns it into a shambles. He goes on the sick, leaving the assistant he appointed in charge, and surprise surprise, the football team continues to be a shambles. Who do you blame then?so what business would you compare football to? When did managing football players or changing tactics in sport, versus people in an or factory become similar occupations?I'm not here to tell you the garden is rosy. Far from it. I consider this a difficult period in the plan. But I'm certainly not about to claim the sky is falling in either which was absolutely guaranteed to be the position for some as soon as we lost a game.Fixed.yes, nothing like re-writing history to suit your argument. I think you can also find books on what cuddly bloke Hitler written in 1943 Germany.
Quote from: toronto villa on April 30, 2011, 07:31:46 PMQuote from: Percy on April 30, 2011, 06:07:54 PMQuote from: toronto villa on April 30, 2011, 05:08:11 PMQuote from: VillaSubmariner on April 30, 2011, 05:06:19 PMI really can't get my head around people blaming Houllier for today's result. Neither can I but you know they've been lying dormant for the past couple of weeks itching to give it another go. He wasn't at the game but somehow he caused our defeat. I find that kind of thinking borderline mental.So a manager takes over a moderately successful football team and turns it into a shambles. He goes on the sick, leaving the assistant he appointed in charge, and surprise surprise, the football team continues to be a shambles. Who do you blame then?so what business would you compare football to? When did managing football players or changing tactics in sport, versus people in an or factory become similar occupations?I'm not here to tell you the garden is rosy. Far from it. I consider this a difficult period in the plan. But I'm certainly not about to claim the sky is falling in either which was absolutely guaranteed to be the position for some as soon as we lost a game.Fixed.
Quote from: Percy on April 30, 2011, 06:07:54 PMQuote from: toronto villa on April 30, 2011, 05:08:11 PMQuote from: VillaSubmariner on April 30, 2011, 05:06:19 PMI really can't get my head around people blaming Houllier for today's result. Neither can I but you know they've been lying dormant for the past couple of weeks itching to give it another go. He wasn't at the game but somehow he caused our defeat. I find that kind of thinking borderline mental.So a manager takes over a moderately successful football team and turns it into a shambles. He goes on the sick, leaving the assistant he appointed in charge, and surprise surprise, the football team continues to be a shambles. Who do you blame then?so what business would you compare football to? When did managing football players or changing tactics in sport, versus people in an or factory become similar occupations?I'm not here to tell you the garden is rosy. Far from it. I consider this a difficult period in the plan. But I'm certainly not about to claim the sky is falling in either which was absolutely guaranteed to be the position for some as soon as we lost a game.
Quote from: toronto villa on April 30, 2011, 05:08:11 PMQuote from: VillaSubmariner on April 30, 2011, 05:06:19 PMI really can't get my head around people blaming Houllier for today's result. Neither can I but you know they've been lying dormant for the past couple of weeks itching to give it another go. He wasn't at the game but somehow he caused our defeat. I find that kind of thinking borderline mental.So a manager takes over a moderately successful football team and turns it into a shambles. He goes on the sick, leaving the assistant he appointed in charge, and surprise surprise, the football team continues to be a shambles. Who do you blame then?
Quote from: VillaSubmariner on April 30, 2011, 05:06:19 PMI really can't get my head around people blaming Houllier for today's result. Neither can I but you know they've been lying dormant for the past couple of weeks itching to give it another go. He wasn't at the game but somehow he caused our defeat. I find that kind of thinking borderline mental.
I really can't get my head around people blaming Houllier for today's result.
Quote from: toronto villa on April 30, 2011, 07:53:07 PMQuote from: pauliebentnuts on April 30, 2011, 07:51:51 PMToronto - "a difficult period in the plan" - isn't that putting it somewhat lightly?This is year five and in playing terms, we're more or less where we were in 2006, except with a really expensive striker, and having spent a gigantic amount of money.The anger has been there all season, so it's a little unfair to ask where it was yesterday or the day before. Pick a match thread at random from this season and you'll see the same old problems over and over. The problems have been there the whole time. Today was a reminder that they're *still* there, and it's really not good enough.And the problems will be there until he can rid the club of the players that cannot do the job. It's all good and well throwing bombs at the manager. But some of the players have simply not done the job.Everyone can see some of the players have not done the job, but why are you absolving the manager of blame?Dunne, Collins, Cuellar, Luke Young, Ashley, Downing, Petrov, Friedel, Warnock, I could go on - these were players which were all here last season too. What happened to them to become so utterly rubbishHe has had the whole season to do something about the defence, but opted not to change it because it'll be easier in the summer (his words), meanwhile we've leaked goals all season. The same players under a different manager last season were one of the best defences in the league.And if you're wondering why so many people want to see the back of him, and the pathetic points return we've managed this season, take a pick from any one of about a dozen gigantic fuck ups and gaffes directly attributable to him.
Quote from: pauliebentnuts on April 30, 2011, 08:03:36 PMQuote from: toronto villa on April 30, 2011, 07:53:07 PMQuote from: pauliebentnuts on April 30, 2011, 07:51:51 PMToronto - "a difficult period in the plan" - isn't that putting it somewhat lightly?This is year five and in playing terms, we're more or less where we were in 2006, except with a really expensive striker, and having spent a gigantic amount of money.The anger has been there all season, so it's a little unfair to ask where it was yesterday or the day before. Pick a match thread at random from this season and you'll see the same old problems over and over. The problems have been there the whole time. Today was a reminder that they're *still* there, and it's really not good enough.And the problems will be there until he can rid the club of the players that cannot do the job. It's all good and well throwing bombs at the manager. But some of the players have simply not done the job.Everyone can see some of the players have not done the job, but why are you absolving the manager of blame?Dunne, Collins, Cuellar, Luke Young, Ashley, Downing, Petrov, Friedel, Warnock, I could go on - these were players which were all here last season too. What happened to them to become so utterly rubbishHe has had the whole season to do something about the defence, but opted not to change it because it'll be easier in the summer (his words), meanwhile we've leaked goals all season. The same players under a different manager last season were one of the best defences in the league.And if you're wondering why so many people want to see the back of him, and the pathetic points return we've managed this season, take a pick from any one of about a dozen gigantic fuck ups and gaffes directly attributable to him.I've genuinely lost count of Gerard's gaffes - anyone care to list them to remind us of where we're at?
Wiki, you are prepared to give the current management team another year or two? You obviously didn't see that surrender today. Bloody disgrace. £42 for what?
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