Indecent haste?

[Risso]

Two heart related problems is surely too serious to ignore.  I can't see him managing again, and it isn't insensitive to wish him the best while looking for his replacement.

[Concrete John]

The board would not allow McAllister to be manager in a milion years. They're not experienced football people but they're not naive either.
If somebody takes over from Houllier he will have to have some clout as a top flight manager.

I'd say if Newcastle hadn't spanked us 6-0 that Kevin MacDonald would be our manager now.

If we had beaten Newcastle it would have been 3 wins and a draw from his first four games and most of us would have been backing the appointment!

[Rip Van We Go Again]

The board would not allow McAllister to be manager in a milion years. They're not experienced football people but they're not naive either.
If somebody takes over from Houllier he will have to have some clout as a top flight manager.

I'd say if Newcastle hadn't spanked us 6-0 that Kevin MacDonald would be our manager now.

For certain.

[Rip Van We Go Again]

Two heart related problems is surely too serious to ignore.  I can't see him managing again, and it isn't insensitive to wish him the best while looking for his replacement.

I agree. Without feeling even more insensitive, I see no reason to offer him a meaningless 'upstairs' job either.

[pauliewalnuts]

Two heart related problems is surely too serious to ignore.  I can't see him managing again, and it isn't insensitive to wish him the best while looking for his replacement.

I agree. Without feeling even more insensitive, I see no reason to offer him a meaningless 'upstairs' job either.

No, nor me.

[TheSandman]

The board would not allow McAllister to be manager in a milion years. They're not experienced football people but they're not naive either.
If somebody takes over from Houllier he will have to have some clout as a top flight manager.

I'd say if Newcastle hadn't spanked us 6-0 that Kevin MacDonald would be our manager now.

If we had beaten Newcastle it would have been 3 wins and a draw from his first four games and most of us would have been backing the appointment!

A lot of people forget the fact that in those heady days prior to that match many of us wanted Kevin Mac to keep the job.

Christ. It's been a long old season. Seems like years ago that we beat West Ham.

[eastie]

Although we picked up points under keV mac we were dreadful against everton, slammed 6-0 at Newcastle and lost to a poor rapid Vienna side , besides losing at Stoke- only in the west ham game did we look decent and that against a dreadful team and with Milner still here- I'd hasten to add if keV mac had been given the job I think we would already be down by now.

[LeeB]

The board would not allow McAllister to be manager in a milion years. They're not experienced football people but they're not naive either.
If somebody takes over from Houllier he will have to have some clout as a top flight manager.

I'd say if Newcastle hadn't spanked us 6-0 that Kevin MacDonald would be our manager now.

If we had beaten Newcastle it would have been 3 wins and a draw from his first four games and most of us would have been backing the appointment!

A lot of people forget the fact that in those heady days prior to that match many of us wanted Kevin Mac to keep the job.

Christ. It's been a long old season. Seems like years ago that we beat West Ham.

Yep, 10 days is a long time in football.

[ozzjim]

Really don't want Moyes having thought about it more. Just such a boring appointment, no intrigue, just a rehash of MON.

I would sooner give Benitez a go than Moyes.

Given the alternatives, I hope GED comes back.

[Toronto Villa]

I said somewhere else I'm torn on Moyes. Is he boring and lacking creativity because he pulled the last rabbit out of his hole a good while back in order to keep Everton competitive? Maybe he's just taken it as far as he can go up there and the change will reinvigorate him. My impression is he'll make us solid every year much like MON did. Can he push us over the edge with extra resources that he doesn't have at Everton, that he would have with us? I just don't know.

[Legion]

Really don't want Moyes having thought about it more. Just such a boring appointment, no intrigue, just a rehash of MON.

I would sooner give Benitez a go than Moyes.

Given the alternatives, I hope GED comes back.

My thoughts exactly, ozz.

[KevinGage]

What encourages me about Moyes is that he has modified the style and approach of his teams over the years. Yes, they still offer a physical threat. And have niggly barstewards like Cahill and Fellaini in the side.

But they can play it on the ground too, certainly more so than in his earlier seasons and have made us look like mugs at times in recent years (though the scoreboard hasn't always demonstrated that).

What puts me off is:

(1) Their consistently slow starts to the season. Whether it's due to a lack of preparation/ conditioning in the summer or he whether he just can't a reaction early enough into the campaign I'm not sure. Either way, it's occurred a few too many times to be completely overlooked.

(2) Persisting with absolute shithouses like Neville, Hibbert and Anichebe.

(3) The dourness of the bloke. This might be the most irrational reason of all, but he's hard to listen to for any length of time.

On balance though, I think he probably is the best candidate and should be gettable If we're of a mind to pursue it this time. I don't think it's necessarily nailed on that he'd take some of his better players with him though -that would be too much for Everton to countenance. And I wonder if he can have the desired impact at a different club with a different set of players.

In many ways, the financial constraints at Everton can be viewed as as much of a blessing than a curse. Currently, they're probably the smallest 'big' club in the land. Little is expected because of Kenright and the lack of progress re new investment and 6th/7th can almost be viewed as an achievement.  He won't get that insurance here, at least not past the first year or two.

[Greg N'Ash]

moyes needs a new challenge and he won't get a top 4 job in all likelihood because he's a brit. He got them to 4th on a comparitive shoestring but didn't have the finances to capitalise. We've been very similar sides in terms of ability over the MON years, the main difference is Moyes could never afford a top striker or strength in depth while MON wouldn't buy a top striker and bought bollocks for reserves

[Mazrim]

The board would not allow McAllister to be manager in a milion years. They're not experienced football people but they're not naive either.
If somebody takes over from Houllier he will have to have some clout as a top flight manager.

I'd say if Newcastle hadn't spanked us 6-0 that Kevin MacDonald would be our manager now.

Or if he hadnt took so long deciding if he wanted it. I take the point though and I was one who was supportive of giving him a go, even after that bollocking.
But that's by the by now and we have to move on.

There's time enough to see how Houllier recovers and what he wants to do next. I'd like him to stay on for the sake of continuity and if thats a backseat or upstairs role, so be it. I think he's one of the few who'd do it justice too.
In the meantime there's no shame wondering or speculating on our future.

[Louzie0]

Patrick Barclay addresses this issue in The Times today, arguing that the best thing for Houllier is to get back in there at Villa, rather than be persuaded by anybody that his age means he should give way to a younger man 'for the future'.

Barclay argues that being wanted and expected back at work is more likely to help GH to a full recovery with renewed vigour than writing him off or assuming age-related decrepitude is imminent.  I agree, wishing I could quote some of the article but it's a pay per view, apparently.

I respect Patrick Barclay as a journalist, but I'm not so sure his would be the advice i would reach for on medical matters.

Agree,especially  given the latest bulletins from the QE.  However, GH still has to make up his own mind.  I know the temptation for everybody to think of possible alternatives is strong but given the title of this thread I'd like to think that  GH still has some say in what he is going to do and how he sees the future for what is still his team and his squad.  Maybe he can still bounce back.  That's still my preferred option!