Indecent haste?

[andyh]

Moyes just does not do it for me.
I think it would be a safe, uninspiring move for someone who could keep us up around 8th-5th with an ocassional flirt with a cup and the odd flirt with relegation.
In short, what we seem to have had for years.
Someone put it very well, hs seems like MON without the charisma.

IF we have to look for a new manager, can't we think big ?
Can't we push the boat out and get the very best we can get ?
I don't profess to know who that is but I'm sure there are better people than Moyes out there.

[villa for life]

Moyes has got Everton into the top four once before. He has also taken them close most other seasons, all achieved on an extremely limited budget.
It's reasonable to think he would achieve at least this with us and probably make us Champions League regulars with Randy's financial backing, so I don't mind if he's a bit lacking in the charisma dept....

[Villa'Zawg]

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IF we have to look for a new manager, can't we think big ?
Can't we push the boat out and get the very best we can get ?
I don't profess to know who that is but I'm sure there are better people than Moyes out there.

Why shouldn't a club ranked 20th in terms of annual revenue in Europe (with significant scope for improving commercial revenue)  be capable of attracting a top-class manager, one who is at the top of his game?

[BannedUserIAT]

Define "Top-Class"?

[WikiVilla]

Perhaps we can get Cappello after he's done with England, he seems to spend most weekends at Villa Park anyway

[Risso]

Director of Football is a position that has rarely been successful in English football.  I don't know why people keep suggesting it.

[TopDeck113]

This thread simply goes to prove that there is nothing quite like ill-health or death to see a rapid reappraisal of the person's attributes.   All of a sudden it seems that Houllier would really suit an ambassadorial role.  Really?  Based on what?  The way that not six months ago he fawned all over Liverpool when supposedly managing us?  How he threw in the towel on the FA Cup not two months ago? 

If the medical advice he receives is to walk away, then that is what he should do.  Go and spend the money you have amassed from football enjoying your retirement.   AVFC can then get on with the business of appointing a manager to take us forward without being constrained by a previous incumbent having his say.

Whilst it might be misconstrued as callousness, the club also has to have some clear time frame.  If a new manager is required, he needs to be in post before the players return for pre-season.   

As for the names mentioned, I don't have a problem with a manger using us as a stepping stone.  To do so, he will have had to have achieved tangible success over a three of four season period, which for the Villa is a domestic cup and/or a couple of decent tilts at Champions League qualification.  Guarantee that and I'd bite his hand off.

Hughes has a record of good overseas signings, certainly when he was at Blackburn.  He was badly treated by the new regime at Man City, but I wonder as to whether he is happier working at the smaller Premier League clubs.

Moyes I think is in a rut and has probably been at Everton a couple of seasons too long.   He is ready for a new challenge, but I have my reservations.   

What Everton succeeded in doing when they appointed Moyes was to find the next up and coming young manager who had cut his teeth in a lower division.  I wonder as to whether that is what we should be doing.   If so, I reckon Paul Lambert is going to become a top, top manager.






 

[WikiVilla]

any update on how GED is ? has he left hospital yet ?

[Villa'Zawg]

Define "Top-Class"?

Someone who is currently (or was very recently) competing at the top of one of the big European leagues, has won trophies, who has a record of outperforming other clubs in his league in relation to the resources available (not necessarily champions), has great knowledge and/or experience of the Premier League.

[andyh]

any update on how GED is ? has he left hospital yet ?

no.
He will be in for 'several day's'.
Just shows how serious it is.

[*shellac*]

That Porto manager who used to be an assistant for Mourinho and with a Villa related name before those top European clubs lay their eyes on him.

You don't try, you won't know.

[WikiVilla]

Define "Top-Class"?

Someone who is currently (or was very recently) competing at the top of one of the big European leagues, has won trophies, who has a record of outperforming other clubs in his league in relation to the resources available (not necessarily champions), has great knowledge and/or experience of the Premier League.

Steve McLaren ?

[Eckybloke]

Director of Football is a position that has rarely been successful in English football.  I don't know why people keep suggesting it.

Is it not more of a case of a good DoF overseeing all aspects of the footballing side except training and selection.  I think it can work, I just think the incumbents have to be, you know, mature and communicate.  I think the control freakery displayed by many British managers is why it doesn't work.

If nothing else, the DoF is there to provide a continuity of "philosophy" in football matters etc so where the manager/head coach whatever may change clubs don't fall into a position where everything stalls as a result of a change of personnel. 

See Aston Villa circa 2010/11 as an example of this stalled progress!

[Willie Anderson]

Can we just wait until he's out of the QE with a clean bill of health before we start speculating
Christ, there talk about 2 faced

He will be in the QE for days, perhaps weeks & won't get a clean bill of health for months if ever.

Of course I wish him a full recovery, but can't see him returning to high pressure football managment, his replacement needs sorting asap or at least a Plan A, B & C being put in place.

[Toronto Villa]

Director of Football is a position that has rarely been successful in English football.  I don't know why people keep suggesting it.

I'm neither for or against it to be honest. But why can't it work here? It's like saying we shouldn't pass the ball at our national level because it's never worked here and just give up on it. Or a case in point is the introduction of foreign managers. Dr Jo didn't work for us, but in the end since that time, with Wenger, Mourinho, Benitez, Ancelotti etc they've been a tremendous success. At some point there will be a coach/DofF appointed somewhere that will work, and it will start a trend. Why not us?