Mons tribunal hearing?

[cdbearsfan]

Brilliant. Let's tell supporters we expect to finish midtable every season that should be good for season ticket sales.

[Villa'Zawg]

So you expected to see Villa bankrupt themselves trying to spend as much as Man City? I'm glad you're not Chairman.

He seems to think there should be a bottomless pit of money. As did Martin.

In fact, come to think of it ..... surely not?

I don't think there should be a bottomless pit but I do know that running a successful, competitive PL football club costs a great deal of money. If you (or Randy) have a strategy for competing whilst investing less than half the amount your competitors are willing to invest in their squad I'm happy to listen.

[Brend'Watkins]

So you expected to see Villa bankrupt themselves trying to spend as much as Man City? I'm glad you're not Chairman.

He seems to think there should be a bottomless pit of money. As did Martin.

In fact, come to think of it ..... surely not?

I don't think there should be a bottomless pit but I do know that running a successful, competitive PL football club costs a great deal of money. If you (or Randy) have a strategy for competing whilst investing less than half the amount your competitors are willing to invest in their squad I'm happy to listen.

Where's this half what our competitors have invested come from? 

[Dave]

So you expected to see Villa bankrupt themselves trying to spend as much as Man City? I'm glad you're not Chairman.

He seems to think there should be a bottomless pit of money. As did Martin.

In fact, come to think of it ..... surely not?

I don't think there should be a bottomless pit but I do know that running a successful, competitive PL football club costs a great deal of money. If you (or Randy) have a strategy for competing whilst investing less than half the amount your competitors are willing to invest in their squad I'm happy to listen.

Where's this half what our competitors have invested come from? 

Oh my, what have you done...

[pauliewalnuts]

So you expected to see Villa bankrupt themselves trying to spend as much as Man City? I'm glad you're not Chairman.

He seems to think there should be a bottomless pit of money. As did Martin.

In fact, come to think of it ..... surely not?

I don't think there should be a bottomless pit but I do know that running a successful, competitive PL football club costs a great deal of money. If you (or Randy) have a strategy for competing whilst investing less than half the amount your competitors are willing to invest in their squad I'm happy to listen.

Where's this half what our competitors have invested come from? 

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Ger Regan]

Aye. perfect for each other.Embarassment we ever employed him.

I wouldn't go that far, or anywhere near. At the time he was the perfect appointment, but his limitations were found out.

My take on it as well. Can't stand the bloke now, but wouldn't let my dislike of him cloud the fact that he did a decent job, up to a point.

[Concrete John]

I think everyone accepts that Randy invests what we can, and probably a bit more, into the club.  No, we haven't got a bottomless pit, but there's enough money there for people to a) get angry if/when it dries up for a bit and b) think we should be doing better than we are.  When you then judge what MON delivered on the pitch you get drawn into the fact the football could be a bit dull and how that reflects on the money spent, when in truth (or at least my opinion anyway) it should be a balance of the results with money spent by those clubs around us.

Martin had a pragmatic approach to football management where the end justified the means - as in win the match and having Habib Beye on £40k a week doing fuck all was allowed.  Other managers may have used the kids and cheaper overseas players more squad-wise, so got similar results while spending less, but I think only the very top managers, which we would struggle to attract, would have got better results without spending more money.

[Concrete John]

Aye. perfect for each other.Embarassment we ever employed him.

I wouldn't go that far, or anywhere near. At the time he was the perfect appointment, but his limitations were found out.

My take on it as well. Can't stand the bloke now, but wouldn't let my dislike of him cloud the fact that he did a decent job, up to a point.

I agree.  I suppose the great divide on here during his time was whether or not he COULD take us any further.  To my mind we were a top stiker, such as Bent, away from clinching a top 4 place.  Although this was further complicated by the emergence of Man City making the top 4 slot harder to achieve whilst also costing us two of our best players.

Guess we'll never know now, not that that will stop us arguing the toss over it!

[sfx412]

Its never about how much you spend but how successful the spend you make is.
None of the real big spenders would have tolerated Mon's failure rate let alone allow himto continue uncontrolled for so long.
We may not be as cash rich as Man City and Chelsea but few have splashed out for such small returns Mon gave, especially when you consider how managers like Moyes continually did better on much less.

[Villa'Zawg]

So you expected to see Villa bankrupt themselves trying to spend as much as Man City? I'm glad you're not Chairman.

He seems to think there should be a bottomless pit of money. As did Martin.

In fact, come to think of it ..... surely not?

I don't think there should be a bottomless pit but I do know that running a successful, competitive PL football club costs a great deal of money. If you (or Randy) have a strategy for competing whilst investing less than half the amount your competitors are willing to invest in their squad I'm happy to listen.

Where's this half what our competitors have invested come from? 

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I've no intention of entering that debate again. The figures are out there and have been discussed thoroughly enough on here for anyone who wants to take an interest.

[Chris Smith]

Its never about how much you spend but how successful the spend you make is.
None of the real big spenders would have tolerated Mon's failure rate let alone allow himto continue uncontrolled for so long.
We may not be as cash rich as Man City and Chelsea but few have splashed out for such small returns Mon gave, especially when you consider how managers like Moyes continually did better on much less.

If that's the case why didn't Randy sack him?

His final season saw us finis sixth, reach a cup final and a semi final. We'd all like it to have been even better but that is NOT underperforming on the money spent when we were up against clubs with far more expensive squads than we had available.

[richard moore]

Aye. perfect for each other.Embarassment we ever employed him.

I wouldn't go that far, or anywhere near. At the time he was the perfect appointment, but his limitations were found out.

My take on it as well. Can't stand the bloke now, but wouldn't let my dislike of him cloud the fact that he did a decent job, up to a point.

And mine. He was good at getting us to base camp and a bit beyond but no further. I don't really count cups as they are a bit of a lottery really and you can be in the FA Cup final or semis by winning a couple of matches. There is no shame in having his limitations as his ability was about the same as many other managers in the Prem who can get you so far, but not quite far enough. Although, having said that, money is now the one big deciding factor. The days of a really good manager bringing a Norwich, Southampton, Derby, Ipswich etc through into the top four are, I fear, gone for ever...

[Meanwood Villa]

Aye. perfect for each other.Embarassment we ever employed him.

What a ridiculous comment. I have been far more embarrassed this season than I ever was when MON was in charge.

[pauliewalnuts]

Aye. perfect for each other.Embarassment we ever employed him.

I wouldn't go that far, or anywhere near. At the time he was the perfect appointment, but his limitations were found out.

My take on it as well. Can't stand the bloke now, but wouldn't let my dislike of him cloud the fact that he did a decent job, up to a point.

And mine. He was good at getting us to base camp and a bit beyond but no further. I don't really count cups as they are a bit of a lottery really and you can be in the FA Cup final or semis by winning a couple of matches. There is no shame in having his limitations as his ability was about the same as many other managers in the Prem who can get you so far, but not quite far enough. Although, having said that, money is now the one big deciding factor. The days of a really good manager bringing a Norwich, Southampton, Derby, Ipswich etc through into the top four are, I fear, gone for ever...

I'd agree with that.

My opinion was that we weren't really going to get any further than we had with him, and that that was mainly down to his limitations and style of football.

To suggest it was embarassing to ever have employed him, though, is mental, frankly. He did a decent job, and he galvanised the club when it needed it.

Similarly, there was no way he should have been sacked last summer, as some were suggesting - sixth again, while not being amazing, is certainly not sacking territory. I'd have given him another year to see what he could do. Unfortunately, he didn't fancy working on the wage bill, as per every other manager in the league, and opted out, so we'll never know.

[Concrete John]

Unfortunately, he didn't fancy working on the wage bill, as per every other manager in the league, and opted out, so we'll never know.

My own take on that is that he probably was Ok with it, but when we couldn't shift the players he wanted to spend anyway, which is when the strains between him and Randy/Faulkner started.