Gary McAllister on Radio 5 and BBC Sport

[Cuz]

but if had said i've fucked up i would have more respect for him, going into that game with a defeatest attitude finished him for me, I was really looking forward to that game and thought we had a chance with our top 11 playing 

fair enough I can accept that he has to say something in inetrviews and you have to take what he says. But the reason for dropping players at man City necause we decided pace was the answer? Does he think we're stupid? So, we're more likely to beat Man City with Delfouneso and Bannan than Ashley Young and Downing. Should have just given the usual 'we thought we needed to rest players' rather than spout shite.

And there is the real problem, the supporters dont buy that and I guess the players didnt buy that either. It was a huge FCUK up, it undermined moral, it destroyed any momentum after the BBurn game. When you make a monumental mistake the best thing is to say, we fucked up, we wont do it again we really need your support.

I'd go along with that to a degree, but if as a manager you come out publicly and say you fucked up then you may as well ring a taxi first.

[hawkeye]

fair enough I can accept that he has to say something in inetrviews and you have to take what he says. But the reason for dropping players at man City necause we decided pace was the answer? Does he think we're stupid? So, we're more likely to beat Man City with Delfouneso and Bannan than Ashley Young and Downing. Should have just given the usual 'we thought we needed to rest players' rather than spout shite.

And there is the real problem, the supporters dont buy that and I guess the players didnt buy that either. It was a huge FCUK up, it undermined moral, it destroyed any momentum after the BBurn game. When you make a monumental mistake the best thing is to say, we fucked up, we wont do it again we really need your support.

I'd go along with that to a degree, but if as a manager you come out publicly and say you fucked up then you may as well ring a taxi first.

The problem is that he has done it too many times, but in the end honesty is the only answer. The bigger problm is if you fuck up and dont realise it and dont admit to it. Because every one believes that the next fuck up is just around the corner.

[WikiVilla]

Houllier and Mcallister are having to manage a MUTINY here, & in that respect I feel for them
Its UNPROFESSIONAL, Its not right, It stinks of modern day prima dona **** & i want it gone from  my club
We'll see this through, together as fans

[Cuz]

Ok lets play Devils advocate here, someone comes into your place of work tomorrow and totally changes your role inwhich you have been doing well at and enjoy, is it unprofessional to question it or to be upset ? no thats human nature, they are not prima donas just pissed off i suspect, its poor management i'm afraid

Houllier and Mcallister are having to manage a MUTINY here, & in that respect I feel for them
Its UNPROFESSIONAL, Its not right, It stinks of modern day prima dona **** & i want it gone from  my club
We'll see this through, together as fans

[WikiVilla]

can be argued either way
witout full facts its futile speculating
nite x

[Cuz]

Mutiny what Mutiny
nite nite kidnee

can be argued either way
witout full facts its futile speculating
nite x

[Shrek]

Ok lets play Devils advocate here, someone comes into your place of work tomorrow and totally changes your role inwhich you have been doing well at and enjoy, is it unprofessional to question it or to be upset ? no thats human nature, they are not prima donas just pissed off i suspect, its poor management i'm afraid

Houllier and Mcallister are having to manage a MUTINY here, & in that respect I feel for them
Its UNPROFESSIONAL, Its not right, It stinks of modern day prima dona **** & i want it gone from  my club
We'll see this through, together as fans

Who was doing well before Houllier came in? We were a shambles before he turned up.

The players are a disgrace.

[dave.woodhall]

The boss tells you what he wants doing and you do it. That's how work normally happens.

[pauliewalnuts]

Houllier and Mcallister are having to manage a MUTINY here, & in that respect I feel for them
Its UNPROFESSIONAL, Its not right, It stinks of modern day prima dona **** & i want it gone from  my club
We'll see this through, together as fans

I reckon he's left his laptop logged in and one of his mates has got hold of it or something.

He's probably posting "I AM A MASSIVE GAY" for him on Facebook right now, too.

[richardhubbard]

Ok lets play Devils advocate here, someone comes into your place of work tomorrow and totally changes your role inwhich you have been doing well at and enjoy, is it unprofessional to question it or to be upset ? no thats human nature, they are not prima donas just pissed off i suspect, its poor management i'm afraid

Houllier and Mcallister are having to manage a MUTINY here, & in that respect I feel for them
Its UNPROFESSIONAL, Its not right, It stinks of modern day prima dona **** & i want it gone from  my club
We'll see this through, together as fans

Who was doing well before Houllier came in? We were a shambles before he turned up.

The players are a disgrace.

Were we really a shambles, yeah we were shit at Newcastle, but not a shambles , thats somewhat stretching the truth
We won 2 and lost 1 I think before we was appointed, since then won 5 in 27 games, now that s a shambles

[BC54 VFC]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/12888174.stm

[pauliewalnuts]

Ok lets play Devils advocate here, someone comes into your place of work tomorrow and totally changes your role inwhich you have been doing well at and enjoy, is it unprofessional to question it or to be upset ? no thats human nature, they are not prima donas just pissed off i suspect, its poor management i'm afraid

Houllier and Mcallister are having to manage a MUTINY here, & in that respect I feel for them
Its UNPROFESSIONAL, Its not right, It stinks of modern day prima dona **** & i want it gone from  my club
We'll see this through, together as fans

Who was doing well before Houllier came in? We were a shambles before he turned up.

The players are a disgrace.

Were we really a shambles, yeah we were shit at Newcastle, but not a shambles , thats somewhat stretching the truth
We won 2 and lost 1 I think before we was appointed, since then won 5 in 27 games, now that s a shambles

How is it possible to lose 6-0 to a newly promoted team and not be a shambles?

[Sexual Ealing]

The boss tells you what he wants doing and you do it. That's how work normally happens.

In a lot of cases, yes. But if you're a financially independent professional who sees the new boss make error after error and prove themselves totally unsuitable for the role, you quickly become demotivated. You may even go over his head, and that may or may not be effective; if it isn't you start to look for the next possible way out.

Granted, you probably don't in the meantime get pissed and start having a go at the guy in middle management who hired you, for whom you ought to have nothing but respect and admiration.

Fault on both sides?

[Lizz]

The ticker tape or whatever it's called on BBC News [channel 80 on Freeview] right now is saying Gary McAllister rubbishes talk of player mutinies at Villa.

[dave.woodhall]

The boss tells you what he wants doing and you do it. That's how work normally happens.

In a lot of cases, yes. But if you're a financially independent professional who sees the new boss make error after error and prove themselves totally unsuitable for the role, you quickly become demotivated. You may even go over his head, and that may or may not be effective; if it isn't you start to look for the next possible way out.

Granted, you probably don't in the meantime get pissed and start having a go at the guy in middle management who hired you, for whom you ought to have nothing but respect and admiration.

Fault on both sides?

Definitely. But I don't see much hysterical abuse of the players.