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Offline WikiVilla

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Re: Villa players in drunken bust up
« Reply #420 on: March 17, 2011, 09:11:32 PM »
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Re: Villa players in drunken bust up
« Reply #421 on: March 17, 2011, 11:13:12 PM »
I admit that I skipped a few pages so I'm jot sure whether this has been mentioned  but I find it interesting that it was Delph that stood up to the two drunkards.

Do people think that the divisions are as simple as those that want to train hard and learn are happy (ie probably younger players) whereas the older experienced players who want an easier life are the ones causing the problems?

Either way my respect for Delph has increased a lot following this mess.

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Re: Villa players in drunken bust up
« Reply #422 on: March 17, 2011, 11:32:00 PM »
I do wonder if having a foreign manager has a part to play in the reaction from the older more experienced players. We had a very British squad, certainly nearly all very used to the English league and a very old fashioned manager to suit. Then a French manager comes in, new ideas on football, fitness diet and work ethics and it becomes a culture thing?
Who knows but the youngsters do seem to want to learn, adapt and give it a go.

At the start of this season when the injuries kicked in (and I reckon that had nothing to do with GH methods) it was the older pros who were letting us down week in week out.

As I keep saying though like many others, the sooner we ship them out the better.

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Re: Villa players in drunken bust up
« Reply #423 on: March 18, 2011, 12:23:04 AM »
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Aston Villa's Richard Dunne and James Collins fined two weeks' wages

    * Stuart James
    * guardian.co.uk, Thursday 17 March 2011 22.00 GMT



Aston Villa have fined Richard Dunne and James Collins the maximum two weeks' wages for their part in the drink-fuelled fracas that took place during a team-bonding exercise in Leicestershire last week. Both players have accepted the club's disciplinary action, although Villa had tried to impose much heavier fines only to be prevented from doing so after the Professional Footballers' Association became involved.

Villa questioned Dunne and Collins on Tuesday, as part of an internal investigation chaired by Robin Russell, the chief finance officer, and informed the players 48 hours later that their behaviour at Champneys Springs spa would cost them a total of £200,000 between them. Their pay packets would have been lighter still had Villa got their way but clubs can fine players more than two weeks' wages only in consultation with the PFA. On this occasion the players' union felt a stiffer punishment was not appropriate.

It is understood that Dunne and Collins are aggrieved Villa have not taken disciplinary action against any of the backroom staff involved in the heated argument that broke out after the manager, Gérard Houllier, left the premises to attend the Champions League game between Tottenham Hotspur and Milan.

The duo, however, begrudgingly accepted their fines after coming to the conclusion they would do themselves more harm than good if they appealed and tried to fight the punishment.

Houllier was keen to try to draw a line under the episode. "Richard Dunne and James Collins have been disciplined and as far as I'm concerned this is the end of the matter," he said. "The club have dealt with the incident strongly, quickly but now we move on to the main target which is Wolverhampton [on Saturday]."

Remarkably Houllier claimed that the row last week, which is the latest in a long line of off-field problems he has had to deal with since he took over at Villa Park in September, did no damage to team morale. "I don't think so because first of all the players have quickly apologised privately and publicly," he said. "Also it didn't affect the team-bonding exercise. It happened when people had gone to bed. All I can tell you is what we did in two days; the players enjoyed it. It was great team-bonding activity. It was just unfortunate that the incident happened."

Houllier said he "doesn't take anything personal" and claimed that Dunne and Collins, who are injured and will miss the Wolves game, still have a part to play at the club. "I've got a long capacity for forgiveness, which is very useful in football. I trust players, I trust people. I think I can be tough but I'm a nice man. I don't bully, I don't shout. [But] trust is always two-way."

The Frenchman also defended his decision to leave the spa premises, along with his assistant, Gary McAllister, to go to the Spurs match. "When they came to the meal we said we would leave the players together with other members of staff. I know from experience that sometimes players like to be on their own but I don't regret what we set up. Even the following day went well, the therapy and the massage."

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Re: Villa players in drunken bust up
« Reply #424 on: March 18, 2011, 08:36:22 AM »
So all the who hah was a waste of time

From a Clubs perspective who the fucking hell draws up the contracts?


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Re: Villa players in drunken bust up
« Reply #425 on: March 18, 2011, 08:40:11 AM »
So all the who hah was a waste of time

From a Clubs perspective who the fucking hell draws up the contracts?



It is a little disappointing isn't it, although we don't know the full details of what went on. I have a suspicion that a line has been drawn under it for the sake of the team and the season, but come July one or both will be sold/jettisoned. I hope so anyway.

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Re: Villa players in drunken bust up
« Reply #426 on: March 18, 2011, 08:43:49 AM »
OK a line is drawn under it now.....lets all drink to that !

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Re: Villa players in drunken bust up
« Reply #427 on: March 18, 2011, 09:24:46 AM »
So all the who hah was a waste of time

From a Clubs perspective who the fucking hell draws up the contracts?



It is a little disappointing isn't it, although we don't know the full details of what went on. I have a suspicion that a line has been drawn under it for the sake of the team and the season, but come July one or both will be sold/jettisoned. I hope so anyway.

Totally agree

Any player who takes the piss more than once needs to go

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Re: Villa players in drunken bust up
« Reply #428 on: March 18, 2011, 10:08:40 AM »
Expensive night out for Dunne - £106k ouch

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Re: Villa players in drunken bust up
« Reply #429 on: March 18, 2011, 10:23:21 AM »
Why is it that the maximum fine for a player is only 2 weeks wages?

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Re: Villa players in drunken bust up
« Reply #430 on: March 18, 2011, 10:25:43 AM »
The thing is though Wiki it's the equivalent of fining an ordinary bloke 500-1000 quid

I hope the fat bastard Dunne stays conveniently injured until the end of the season then he gets shipped out to the fizy pop.

I always liked Collins but this is his second time taking the piss so he can do one as well

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Re: Villa players in drunken bust up
« Reply #431 on: March 18, 2011, 10:26:10 AM »
PFA Rules / guidelines

Thought they were going to hit Dunne harder - 6 weeks ??

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Re: Villa players in drunken bust up
« Reply #432 on: March 18, 2011, 10:27:11 AM »
It does appear they are a couple of rotten apples, so fuck them off

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Re: Villa players in drunken bust up
« Reply #433 on: March 18, 2011, 10:34:13 AM »
PFA Rules / guidelines

Thought they were going to hit Dunne harder - 6 weeks ??

Sorry, what I meant was what is the legal basis behind this? It's certainly not EU law because in the Armed Forces you can be fined a lot more than just 2 weeks pay (trust me, I know!)

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Re: Villa players in drunken bust up
« Reply #434 on: March 18, 2011, 10:34:46 AM »
With all the huffing and puffing the club was doing i.e 6 weeks wages fines and bring your lawyers, they get nothing different.

Call me stupid but surely there must be something in their contracts regarding gross misconduct and bringing the club into disrepute??

 I used to work for a Blue Chip company and on a works only do a manager got pissed and a bit lairy. He had 25 years service and the next day they hauled him and said his options were to resign or get sacked.

It shows how shit the contracts must be if that gimp Taylor can fight on your side and you still win.

 


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