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Offline JJ-AV

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Re: 2010 Aston Villa accounts
« Reply #15 on: February 27, 2011, 08:18:18 AM »
How did wages go up so much when we didn't buy anyone in 2010 and got rid of deadwood like Harewood, Shorey and Gardner?

Full years of the signings from Summer 2010?

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Re: 2010 Aston Villa accounts
« Reply #16 on: February 27, 2011, 08:37:42 AM »
What month is it until or is it the end of 2010?
If until end of last season maybe the milner money would offset the loss a bit.

Up til 31/7/2010.

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Re: 2010 Aston Villa accounts
« Reply #17 on: February 27, 2011, 08:46:04 AM »
What month is it until or is it the end of 2010?
If until end of last season maybe the milner money would offset the loss a bit.

Up til 31/7/2010.

Then it covers the end of the Aston Villa deadwood years.

The next set of accounts should show a marked improvement.

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Re: 2010 Aston Villa accounts
« Reply #18 on: February 27, 2011, 09:22:40 AM »
The commercial income is disappointing, does this include the FxPro sponsdor deal?

When are the Spurs accounts published?

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« Reply #19 on: February 27, 2011, 09:28:06 AM »
We can't expect Brummies to pay London ticket prices. Seems to me that to compete we are going to need a bigger ground with more corporate areas and we need to fill it. We need the recession to end for this to happen though I reckon.

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Re: 2010 Aston Villa accounts
« Reply #20 on: February 27, 2011, 09:40:20 AM »
If it is 80mil on wages, what is costing 61million for the total operating expenses???

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Re: 2010 Aston Villa accounts
« Reply #21 on: February 27, 2011, 09:50:00 AM »
I can't believe we have let the wages get to high!

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Re: 2010 Aston Villa accounts
« Reply #22 on: February 27, 2011, 10:01:56 AM »
cup runs and European campaigns will help. Speculate to accumulate and all that..

Offline richardhubbard

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Re: 2010 Aston Villa accounts
« Reply #23 on: February 27, 2011, 10:14:14 AM »
Villa 2011 accounts I reckon will be worse re turnover with gates down and no cup runs

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Re: 2010 Aston Villa accounts
« Reply #24 on: February 27, 2011, 12:02:44 PM »
So have we made an overall loss of 38million?

If so does that mean Randy has to give Villa 38million this year to stay afloat?

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Re: 2010 Aston Villa accounts
« Reply #25 on: March 01, 2011, 04:34:05 AM »
couple of pieces in the guardian on this:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011/mar/01/aston-villa-randy-lerner-accounts

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Randy Lerner has plunged more than £200m into Aston Villa in the five years of his ownership, the Guardian can reveal.

Accounts lodged at Companies House last week for the Villa Park club's parent company, Reform Acquisitions, show Lerner has overseen the growth of revenues from £37.2m in 2006-7 – his first full season as a Premier League club owner – to £90.9m in 2010.

But alongside that strong growth has been the vaulting expansion of the wage bill. Villa's salary payments amounted to £22.4m in Lerner's first year, a just about sustainable 60% of the club's turnover. Today they have reached £79.9m or nearly 88% of the club's total revenues.

Losses last year were marginally down, from £46.1m in 2009 to £37.5m, but that was broadly attributable to the better returns from the transfer market. Booked net investment on players was down to £12.2m from £20m the previous year.

Yet still Villa are burning through Lerner's fortune. The US billionaire has injected £115.6m in equity and another £89.6m has come in through shareholder loans. Investments in player transfers alone have amounted to £138.8m but where it really counts – in the league table – there is precious little to show for it.

Villa finished 12th in Lerner's first season and sixth in each of the next three years; this season the former European champions have flirted more with relegation than courting the Champions League. Today they are 12th again.

The wages-to-turnover ratio is alarming because player wages are a particularly intractable problem. As Arsenal announced on Monday, in only six months they had achieved turnover of £120m yet the books did not ultimately balance: a £6.2m pre-tax loss ensued.

By no means are Arsenal in financial trouble; the loss in the interim accounts is attributable to a number of factors, not least a fixture list in which the Gunners play more often away than at home in the first half of this season. But the key contributor was the renegotiation of player contracts on more generous terms. "Every club has to compete for its own players," said Ivan Gazidis, the club's chief executive. "In the modern game that is true of every club." Not every club has a willing benefactor like Lerner but all must operate in an environment where wages are set by the most extravagant employers.

Yet even Lerner's patience is not inexhaustible and he wants the wages-to-turnover ration to return to 60%. Now Gérard Houllier will be called upon to deliver the managerial two-card trick that few have ever been capable of pulling off: bringing success with untried players from the club's own academy.

"We have an excellent academy with lots of very talented youngsters and Gérard is prepared to play them," said a high-ranked Villa insider. "You are locked into individual contracts but you are not locked into the overall bill. If you have a 35-man squad, with an average of two years on each there are plenty maturing each year. You always have that scope. And that is where the art of the manager has to be deployed."

So expect Villa to back away over the coming years from investing in more Stephen Irelands and Richard Dunnes in favour of attempting to win something with kids. It must be hoped Houllier will have a helping hand in that endeavour. Both Villa and Arsenal are members of the European Clubs Association, whose dialogue with Uefa helps shape the European regulatory environment. And both are looking to Uefa's financial fair-play rules as a means of stemming the flow of cash from club balance sheets.

"We shouldn't underestimate these rules; they will become a reality for leagues across Europe," said the Villa source.

"No one knows what kind of reality that will be because the rules must reflect the collective acceptance for football to be more sustainable than it is. But it is seeping into people's world view and it's going to help, hopefully, everyone get to a sustainable model."

Gazidis was still more forthright. "The escalation of player salaries to unsustainable levels means that those clubs who try to act responsibly find it more and more difficult," he said. "The extent the FFP are affecting decisions, we think that is healthy for the game. It influences not just those clubs whose spending has been above what their football revenues can sustain but also everybody else.

"I hope that Uefa will enforce those rules consistently and with transparency and I certainly hope that all the clubs who have supported it through the ECA will take the rules seriously." Fans of all but a tiny few clubs will depend on it.

 * guardian.co.uk © Guardian News and Media Limited 2011


and

http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2011/mar/01/aston-villa-cost-martin-oneill

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Series: Digger

Aston Villa reveal cost of Martin O'Neill's time in charge


    * Matt Scott
    * The Guardian, Tuesday 1 March 2011

Aston Villa have made a cumulative loss of £112.75m over the almost five years of Randy Lerner's ownership. It is a phenomenal sum, most of it having vanished into the pockets of players: the wage bill now gives Villa only £26,000 change from £80m. For four of those five years the club's manager was Martin O'Neill.

Assisted by Lerner's free spending, the Irishman turned Villa from the 11th-placed Premier League team at the end of his first season in charge into the sixth-placed team, where he kept them for each of the next three years. But the push for the next level, which would have justified all that spending, never came and O'Neill parted company with Villa last August, four years and four days after he joined. Digger dug out Villa's accounts, which were filed without fanfare at Companies House last week, and there is a stark reference to O'Neill's departure.

"On 9 August 2010 Martin O'Neill resigned as manager of Aston Villa with immediate effect," said the accounts in the notes relating to "events after the balance sheet date". There was no touchy-feely reference to "by mutual consent" and there was no mention of compensation for loss of office. That is because none has been paid. O'Neill resigned and his resignation was readily accepted: clearly the club feels it owes him nothing.

Whether he has accepted the lack of compensation is quite another question, however. Richard Bevan, the chief executive of the League Managers Association, which acts for sacked managers, could not be reached yesterday.

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Re: 2010 Aston Villa accounts
« Reply #26 on: March 01, 2011, 04:42:02 AM »
as for my own views:

think a lot of the big earners will be ushered towards the door in the summer. - dunne (clark and cuellar are better and more consistent), petrov (his legs are going), heskey (expensive benchwarmer), ireland (fingers crossed he does well at newcastle).

carew, friedel and reo-coker will all be out of contract as well and the reality is they will probably be offered better deals elsewhere.

ashley young will be offered the captaincy. think he will stay one more season with an eye on the euro 2012 finals.

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Re: 2010 Aston Villa accounts
« Reply #27 on: March 01, 2011, 07:57:09 AM »
Can anyone put these ratios into English ?? !!

Ratios

Date Of Accounts                  31/05/10   31/05/09   31/05/08   31/05/07   -
   Pre-tax profit margin %    -41.37   -54.89          -10.01          -7.39   -
   Current ratio                       0.19      0.37                0.37            0.12   -
   Sales/Net Working Capital      -1.85     -2.50          -2.66                   -0.85   -
   Gearing %                      485.30    241.20         166.80              171.70   -
   Equity in %                      20.20   30.60         38.90                   35.40   -
   Creditor Days                      95.42   82.08        108.16         165.69   -
   Debtor Days                      30.66   30.61   67.12                   35.36   -
   Liquidity/Acid Test                0.17    0.35     0.36                     0.12   -
   Return On Capital Employed %   -28.30   -32.28   -6.17           -3.16   -
   Return On Total Assets Employed %   -19.46   -23.48   -4.50             -2   -
   Current Debt Ratio                 2.39    1.25           .90                     1.28   -
   Total Debt Ratio                  6.67   3.60            2.33                     2.51   -
   Stock Turnover Ratio %          0.61   0.90            0.67                     0.62   -
   Return on Net Assets Employed %   -149.39   -108.11   -15.04   -7.05   
« Last Edit: March 01, 2011, 08:01:16 AM by TimTheVillain »

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Re: 2010 Aston Villa accounts
« Reply #28 on: March 01, 2011, 09:03:00 AM »
The thing that comes home for me from the Guardian piece is are we going to be able to hold onto our young players? 

Imagine the scenario:-
We shift out the high wage earners and get the total bill down to a managable level in relation to our turnover.  They come good are we're back in the CL chasing pack, but without the great expenditure doing so under MON cost us.  But these kids now have agents, growing reputations and want the salaries their peers are getting.  We won't/can't pay them without once again putting our wages to turnover ratio in a bad position, so they walk.  Now, they might have more layalty than some others having been brought through the ranks here, but ultimately money talks in football.  I'm not sure the FFP rules will help as we'd be stuck to them also, so clubs with bigger turnovers (in the CL and/or charging London prices) will always be able to offer higher wages.

To me what is crucial for us to get sustained success on the pitch is to get the turnover up to the point where we can spend heavily by money generated from within the club.  That's the big task for Randy & Co.     

Offline Tezmond

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Re: 2010 Aston Villa accounts
« Reply #29 on: March 01, 2011, 12:10:21 PM »
I've just got hold of a copy of the accounts from companies house (available to anyone for £1). Scariest figure for me is the loss before player trading of £20m two seasons running now, with additional £5m in interest (£4.1 on loan notes payable to Randy's amercan parent company). Total loan notes as of 31/5/2010 was £89m - these are 10yr jobbies so some are repayable in full in 4 years.

Next year, we already have another £5m in loan notes Nov 10, plus whatever Randy has pumped in in January? Hopefully this November investment + Milner cash paid for Bent and J2M, but somehow doubt it.

£7.3m freehold land transferred to Randy's american holding company, mentioned above by somebody - any clues yet what this is?

Funniest item: R Lerner rents a property from the group, has paid £112.5k, but still owes £395k. Last year had £52k outstanding, so (395-52+112) £455k per annum - thats one hell of a property by reckoning!!!


 


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