Sponsorship withdrawal ?

[Somniloquism]

Villa are a soft touch,Always have been.

What do you base that on?

I'm guessing he is alluding to allowing WW1 to affect the plans for having the best ground in the country and stopping our dominance in the league. Also that we didn't write into the rules that as a founding member of the league we get 30 points at the start of every season to separate us from the johnny come latelies. Need I go on?

[dave.woodhall]

Villa are a soft touch,Always have been.

What do you base that on?

Nike for a start, add to that we always seem to have trouble with sponsorship either getting it,losing it or the sponsor going bump.

I fail to see how a supplier problem is our fault and how exactly does Mita Copiers or LDV going out of business years after they were our sponsor make us a soft touch?

[bertlambshank]

Villa are a soft touch,Always have been.

What do you base that on?

Nike for a start, add to that we always seem to have trouble with sponsorship either getting it,losing it or the sponsor going bump.

I fail to see how a supplier problem is our fault and how exactly does Mita Copiers or LDV going out of business years after they were our sponsor make us a soft touch?

Nike don't have supplier problems for the 'bigger teams' and even under Doug we started seasons without sponsors.It always seems last minute at VP.

[dave.woodhall]

Nike don't have supplier problems for the 'bigger teams' and even under Doug we started seasons without sponsors.It always seems last minute at VP.

There was a quality control problem we could do nothing about.

We started the season without a sponsor once. Now, how is it our fault when sponsors go out of business? And how about a bit of credit for the phenomenally good deals we've done over the years?

[bertlambshank]

Nike don't have supplier problems for the 'bigger teams' and even under Doug we started seasons without sponsors.It always seems last minute at VP.

There was a quality control problem we could do nothing about.

We started the season without a sponsor once. Now, how is it our fault when sponsors go out of business? And how about a bit of credit for the phenomenally good deals we've done over the years?

Name one.For every so called good deal I can give you a bad deal.£750,00 off 32RED a season for a start.

[pauliewalnuts]

Nike don't have supplier problems for the 'bigger teams' and even under Doug we started seasons without sponsors.It always seems last minute at VP.

There was a quality control problem we could do nothing about.

We started the season without a sponsor once. Now, how is it our fault when sponsors go out of business? And how about a bit of credit for the phenomenally good deals we've done over the years?

Name one.For every so called good deal I can give you a bad deal.£750,00 off 32RED a season for a start.

Surely he doesn't need to name any, as you've just indicated yourself that there are some?

[bertlambshank]

OK let's see.A new sponsor will be announced in July,New kit out in December.Hope I am wrong.

[dave.woodhall]

Nike don't have supplier problems for the 'bigger teams' and even under Doug we started seasons without sponsors.It always seems last minute at VP.

There was a quality control problem we could do nothing about.

We started the season without a sponsor once. Now, how is it our fault when sponsors go out of business? And how about a bit of credit for the phenomenally good deals we've done over the years?

Name one.For every so called good deal I can give you a bad deal.£750,00 off 32RED a season for a start.

The initial Nike deal. Remember how we were doing it in our trousers about having Villa shirts on sale all over the world? The Acorns sponsrship which got us so much good coverage and which nobody criticised at the time. Further back there was selling £10 million-worth of shares to NTL for £27 million and paying £2 million to buy them back. Selling the Serpentine for £8 million and still using it.

Incidentally, the definition of a 'bad deal' is a bit more than a supporter saying "We should have got more" without saying how. 

[bertlambshank]

Nike don't have supplier problems for the 'bigger teams' and even under Doug we started seasons without sponsors.It always seems last minute at VP.

There was a quality control problem we could do nothing about.

We started the season without a sponsor once. Now, how is it our fault when sponsors go out of business? And how about a bit of credit for the phenomenally good deals we've done over the years?

Name one.For every so called good deal I can give you a bad deal.£750,00 off 32RED a season for a start.

The initial Nike deal. Remember how we were doing it in our trousers about having Villa shirts on sale all over the world? The Acorns sponsrship which got us so much good coverage and which nobody criticised at the time. Further back there was selling £10 million-worth of shares to NTL for £27 million and paying £2 million to buy them back. Selling the Serpentine for £8 million and still using it.

Incidentally, the definition of a 'bad deal' is a bit more than a supporter saying "We should have got more" without saying how. 

I have trouble buying a Villa shirt in Nuneaton.

[dave.woodhall]

I have trouble buying a Villa shirt in Nuneaton.

And how is that Villa's fault?

[bertlambshank]

I have trouble buying a Villa shirt in Nuneaton.

And how is that Villa's fault?

It's Nike's.

[dave.woodhall]

I have trouble buying a Villa shirt in Nuneaton.

And how is that Villa's fault?

It's Nike's.

You can't make shops stock your goods. There are more books about Manchester United in the city centre WH Smith than about Villa. I know from first-hand experience whose fault that it, and it's not the publishers or the Villa's.

[bertlambshank]

I have trouble buying a Villa shirt in Nuneaton.

And how is that Villa's fault?

It's Nike's.

You can't make shops stock your goods. There are more books about Manchester United in the city centre WH Smith than about Villa. I know from first-hand experience whose fault that it, and it's not the publishers or the Villa's.

I know what your saying,but wasn't that why we tried so hard to get Nike in the first place?

[dave.woodhall]

I know what your saying,but wasn't that why we tried so hard to get Nike in the first place?

I would imagine so, but I also think we always come up against the reality that Aston Villa is not that big a name outside the Midlands. That's why our sponsorship deals are never as big as we think they should be.

[bertlambshank]

I know what your saying,but wasn't that why we tried so hard to get Nike in the first place?

I would imagine so, but I also think we always come up against the reality that Aston Villa is not that big a name outside the Midlands. That's why our sponsorship deals are never as big as we think they should be.

Agreed.