Aston Villa v Manchester City Pre-Match Thread

[Simba]

I really hope we send them back to Middle East lands in tears. Hate the buggars and their money.

3-1 Villa. But  Bent has a shocker and is subbed after ten minutes. Well he is a "dubious" signing isn't he.

[paulcomben]

No doubt lots of Villa fans will be tempted to turn up to future matches with "Bent 39" on their backs.  Could I just caution that this will make them seem to be middle-aged crooks or homosexuals, which in fact describes Blues & Baggies fans respectively?

[Mazrim]

3-2 Villa in front of a buzzing and packed out Villa Park.

Bent to grab the winner by transforming into a jump jet and blasting their defence to bits, then transforming back to a warrior robot for the tap in and celebrating by diving into a pool of media bitterness and Mackem tears. That's what £24m buys you.

[Pete3206]

I'm tempted by the 18-1 Paddy Power are offering for a 2-0 win.

[WikiVilla]

I'm tempted by the 18-1 Paddy Power are offering for a 2-0 win.

Very good odds, its the nil bit that looks highly unlikely though you'd expect Dunne toi be very fired up for this

Got my ticket for £15 for this, talk about value !!

[Mazrim]

O.K then...

"Theory of value" is a generic term which encompasses all the theories within economics that attempt to explain the exchange value or price of goods and services. Key questions in economic theory include why goods and services are priced as they are, how the value of goods and services comes about, and for normative value theories how to calculate the correct price of goods and services (if such a value exists). Theories of value fall into two main categories:

Intrinsic (objective) theories

see main article: Intrinsic theory of value
Intrinsic theories, as the name implies, hold that the price of goods and services is not a function of subjective judgements.
Subjective theories

see main article: Subjective theory of value
Subjective theories hold that for an object to have economic value (a non-zero price), the object must be useful in satisfying human wants and it must be in limited supply. This is the foundation of the marginalist theory of value. In the context of explaining price, the marginal utility theory is not a normative theory of value.
In either case what are being addressed are general prices, i.e. prices in the aggregate, not a specific price of a specific good or service in a given circumstance. Theories in either class allow for deviations when a particular price is struck in a real-world market transactions, or when a price is set in some price fixing regime.

[Hookeysmith]

Anyone else concerned about GED's comments at the press conference yesterday - along the lines of
"Darren has a habit of scoring on his debut, i am not telling Mancini to watch out but........"

wish he had just said the standard line of "He will do well if selected to play"

There will be a hell of a lot of pressure on GED more the spend and Bent to deliver - read this thread and we all seem to instantly think we will turn them over - they are 2nd in the league, have some unbelielable talent and a superb away record. As much as i am as happy as the preverbial dog with several apendages on getting the Bentmaster in currrently i would not think a game against anyone is a certainty - especially Citeh

A hard battling draw (if we are lucky)

[London Villan]

Bent scores and a Villa win is 6/1 in some places.

[frank]

Lets hope its not a damp squib like SVC's debut

His whole career for us was a damp squib

[themossman]

I'm not really expecting us to do them. A draw would be a good result. TBH at this point and against a team like them it's about the performance. I just want them to reassure me that we will win the games we are supposed to out of our remaining fixtures. A bit like mon's first post-jan game where we looked infinitaly better than before but lost wouldn't have me flogging myself.

[Reuben]

5-1 at half-time, reminiscent of Liverpool in the 70s - commentary team focus on the fact that a 24m player missed a pen (despite scoring from the rebound)

Second half, Friedel gets sent off to end his appearance sequence.  Therefore we sit back and end up not winning much to the delight of the pundits.

[hartman_1982]

2-0 villa is 26's on Betfair. 3-1 is at a very tempting 46's!

[WALTERS WARRIORS]

O.K then...

"Theory of value" is a generic term which encompasses all the theories within economics that attempt to explain the exchange value or price of goods and services. Key questions in economic theory include why goods and services are priced as they are, how the value of goods and services comes about, and for normative value theories how to calculate the correct price of goods and services (if such a value exists). Theories of value fall into two main categories:

Intrinsic (objective) theories

see main article: Intrinsic theory of value
Intrinsic theories, as the name implies, hold that the price of goods and services is not a function of subjective judgements.
Subjective theories

see main article: Subjective theory of value
Subjective theories hold that for an object to have economic value (a non-zero price), the object must be useful in satisfying human wants and it must be in limited supply. This is the foundation of the marginalist theory of value. In the context of explaining price, the marginal utility theory is not a normative theory of value.
In either case what are being addressed are general prices, i.e. prices in the aggregate, not a specific price of a specific good or service in a given circumstance. Theories in either class allow for deviations when a particular price is struck in a real-world market transactions, or when a price is set in some price fixing regime.

Does that mean £15 is a good deal then

[Simba]

Maz; It is true that the generic"theory of Value" should be applied but as you stated we as a "Football Club" have to look at the subjective theories of value.

In simple terms we do not have the normal applications of supply and demand nor the appliance of normal  Cost of Goods and accordingly margins applied thereon. I think that the Business in legal and Financial terms can be desscribed as Capital intensive and yet our Capital assets, excluding land and buildings for this debate, are actually our players. In any other business but sport this would of course not be so and it would be a labour intensive business, but there it is.

The players are our " wealth", our asset base and something with which we trade, no different to a supermarket holding stock. Some perishable and some, such as Wine not. In fact you re-sitcker the wine every month. An appreciating asset. Like Albrighton. Young full bodied. ahem

It is a pity that some of our more mature Wines are going off in the bottle. Due in no small measure to the previous Wine Maker paying too much for the vines, for their care, and planting them quite often on the wrong soil/position on the vineyard.

It will apparently take a Frenchman to plant a whole new cultivar.

Well, bloody hell Maz you deserved it.

[Simba]

er.  3-1 Villa. Albrighton scores. He has a good 'nose'.