Gerard Houllier

[DB]

I've changed my vote he has to go. If I was Randy, I woukd do everything to patch up with MON get him back in, we cannot be relegated.

[pauliewalnuts]

89% of people want him gone on here, 95% of people on Villatalk do.  The fans have made their feelings known.

Some of the fans have.

The ones who can be arsed to vote in a poll. The ones who want to come online and vent their feelings. What a difference from the post-Chelsea reaction.

I think the thing tonight showed, emphatically, was that Chelsea was very much a blip in what is otherwise a consistent, downward trajectory.

Tonight was truly, truly fucking horrible. Heskey's sending off had nothing to do with it, we were rubbish from start to finish. Not only that, but we had zero organisation, absolutely nothing.

I like GH as a personality, I thought he was a good appointment, I see why they gave him the job, but there is something very, very wrong at the club at the moment, and we're running out of time to fix it.

[Legion]

I've changed my vote he has to go. If I was Randy, I woukd do everything to patch up with MON get him back in, we cannot be relegated.

MO'N back will not happen, but if it ever did they can have my season ticket back.

[Toronto Villa]

I supported MON for most of his time here. But he fucked off on us. No man is bigger than Aston Villa, and as good as it might seem in some respects on the surface, I wouldn't want him back at all. It's done, he's gone. Get over it.

[PeterWithe]

They're in a very sticky position now.

Sack him now, three weeks of transfer window left, but they'd have to be on the phone to potential replacements NOW - right now - to make it work. I can't see them being that proactive.

Back him, and you have to give him money to spend, absolutely have to, and quite a lot of it.

Back him, give him money to spend or not, and we lose at home to Man City (which we will), we get knocked out the FAC (which we will) and we lose to Blues (which we will) and his position is absolutely untenable, and we're rooted at the bottom of the table, so for all the support of backing him, we're still stuck at the bottom of the table.

I feel for them, it is really awful timing, and this season has been an utter disaster right from the off, but what we need now is determined, calculated, strong leadership. We need it now, though, not after a few weeks of prevaricating, because on the evidence of tonight, it is not only getting worse, it is actually starting to look very much like it will never get better.

Spot on that, I was unsuccessfull trying to say much the same on another thread but rather less lucidly.

[ozzjim]

89% of people want him gone on here, 95% of people on Villatalk do.  The fans have made their feelings known.

Some of the fans have.

The ones who can be arsed to vote in a poll. The ones who want to come online and vent their feelings. What a difference from the post-Chelsea reaction.

I think the thing tonight showed, emphatically, was that Chelsea was very much a blip in what is otherwise a consistent, downward trajectory.

Tonight was truly, truly fucking horrible. Heskey's sending off had nothing to do with it, we were rubbish from start to finish. Not only that, but we had zero organisation, absolutely nothing.

I like GH as a personality, I thought he was a good appointment, I see why they gave him the job, but there is something very, very wrong at the club at the moment, and we're running out of time to fix it.

Paulie, I agree with most of it. BUT I still want to see him have 4-5 of his own players in the team to see what happens, as our central midfield, senior and youngsters, are just complete garbage and MON got lucky with Barry and Milner saving his bacon there as they were so much better than the rest. Take our 2 out for the Sunderland 2 tonight and it would have made a huge difference.

[Toronto Villa]

Right now feels like being at a roulette table. You've bought your chips, but with every spin you're losing a little bit more. Do you stick with it hoping for your luck to turn knowing full well it might not? Or do cut your losses and move to another table?

[Risso]

The latter.

[pauliewalnuts]

89% of people want him gone on here, 95% of people on Villatalk do.  The fans have made their feelings known.

Some of the fans have.

The ones who can be arsed to vote in a poll. The ones who want to come online and vent their feelings. What a difference from the post-Chelsea reaction.

I think the thing tonight showed, emphatically, was that Chelsea was very much a blip in what is otherwise a consistent, downward trajectory.

Tonight was truly, truly fucking horrible. Heskey's sending off had nothing to do with it, we were rubbish from start to finish. Not only that, but we had zero organisation, absolutely nothing.

I like GH as a personality, I thought he was a good appointment, I see why they gave him the job, but there is something very, very wrong at the club at the moment, and we're running out of time to fix it.

Paulie, I agree with most of it. BUT I still want to see him have 4-5 of his own players in the team to see what happens, as our central midfield, senior and youngsters, are just complete garbage and MON got lucky with Barry and Milner saving his bacon there as they were so much better than the rest. Take our 2 out for the Sunderland 2 tonight and it would have made a huge difference.

I agree, Ozz, I would like that too, but the thing that slowly dawned on me watching tonight unfold was that he's almost certainly not going to get that luxury.

We are so poor, so short of points, and on such a downward trajectory, that matters are going to get taken out of his hands.

[pauliewalnuts]

Right now feels like being at a roulette table. You've bought your chips, but with every spin you're losing a little bit more. Do you stick with it hoping for your luck to turn knowing full well it might not? Or do cut your losses and move to another table?

That's exactly what it is.

My issue is that I work in the gambling industry, and know that chasing your losses usually ends in a very bad place.

[Toronto Villa]

This might be a complete cop out, but I'll support the board on whatever they do on this one. I'm still in the give GH time camp (just) but the sands of time are really moving. If he ends up being fired and the right man hired, maybe it will give the club enough of a lift to see us to safety or better.

The big fear I have as a side note is to ask what role have the players played in all of this? It's an incredibly dangerous precedent to have set if this demise, has been in any way, manufactured.

[Toronto Villa]

Right now feels like being at a roulette table. You've bought your chips, but with every spin you're losing a little bit more. Do you stick with it hoping for your luck to turn knowing full well it might not? Or do cut your losses and move to another table?

That's exactly what it is.

My issue is that I work in the gambling industry, and know that chasing your losses usually ends in a very bad place.

For the first time tonight, I'm feeling a little scared. It's not mid-March, so there's still a decent of time and games to change things. But this weeks results could not have been any worse had we written them all out ourselves. We're in quite a bit of bother. The next 48 hours will be massive for this club. An early exit from the FA Cup against a very poor Sheff Utd team will be the final straw in my opinon.

[Drummond]

I don't believe it's the right time to change manager, I think he needs time to put his team together.

What's happening at the moment shows us that MON was a good motivator of shit players that he bought.

Houllier needs to be backed in this window, we'll stay up, I have no doubt and he will turn it around, we've seen how well we can play, we need to do it consistently.

[Risso]

Right now feels like being at a roulette table. You've bought your chips, but with every spin you're losing a little bit more. Do you stick with it hoping for your luck to turn knowing full well it might not? Or do cut your losses and move to another table?

I work in financial services where if you performed as poorly as Houllier you'd have been fired ages ago.  (unless you're N investment banker in which case you'd be given a seven figure bonus and a big pension)
That's exactly what it is.

My issue is that I work in the gambling industry, and know that chasing your losses usually ends in a very bad place.

[ozzjim]

If he does go Jol is not the right man of that I am totally sure. The board have a huge 3 weeks in Jan now. If I was Randy I would be saying name the players in each position you need to get us out of this, and I would go and get em at all costs.