We are not a selling club - certainly not since Randy took over. A selling club is one that develops players and then sells them as they need the money to stay afloat, Crew being a prime example and Wigan something similar in the PL.What we are is a club that struggles to hold onto our best players as they see riches and trophies elsewhere and want them. We don't want to sell them, as aselling club would, but we can't hold onto them. Why that is is another matter entirely.
With Barry and milner their contracts were running down and they wished to go- they could have been sold or left on a free- what voice does the club have?The same goes for ash- if he says he will not sign a new contract he will leave , the club tried to keep them but once a player wants to leave he will leave- that's the system. Even man utd and arsenal have lost their best players - we are not a selling club!
I'd say the only player we've sold for the money is Platt and at the time £5.5m was a hell of a lot to turn down.
No, we're not a selling club. Milner and Barry wanted to go as soon as they heard they were wanted elsewhere. Same with Yorke, as soon as he heard Man Utd wanted him, he'd already deceided to pack, as his perfomance at Everton away showed.I'd say the only player we've sold for the money is Platt and at the time £5.5m was a hell of a lot to turn down.
East 19 I think his previous health issue is a factor and a big weakness. I apologise if a remark about his heart offended you but lets be honest its what everyone is thinking when you see his lonely figure on the sidelines. I am also afraid i cannot refer to any abilities the bloke has as i aint seen none since his arrival.
Yours, and some other people's appreciation of GH's medical history is the fan's equivalent of what is often called "lazy journalism" on this board. GH suffered from a dissected aorta in 2001, which is a serious and life threatening condition. Thankfully he wasn't one of the 50% of patients who don't even make it to the hospital. However, it has nothing at all to do with myocardial infarction (heart attack) as you and many others blithely presume, not that that would necessarily preclude him from managing a football club either.To me, healthism comments are offensive and are up there with all the other 'isms and should be subject to the same censure.
Totally disagree. He aint been the same person/manager since his illness and he said so himself. Yes he has now said he is fully recovered but i dont buy that. He should never had been hired as manager.
Quote from: clampy on December 30, 2010, 03:15:23 PMNo, we're not a selling club. Milner and Barry wanted to go as soon as they heard they were wanted elsewhere. Same with Yorke, as soon as he heard Man Utd wanted him, he'd already deceided to pack, as his perfomance at Everton away showed.I'd say the only player we've sold for the money is Platt and at the time £5.5m was a hell of a lot to turn down.As I said, its just the reason for the sell thats differentWe sold because we couldnt hold onto them. Why?Because...1. more money2. better chance of winning things3. both of the aboveEither way we did sell, it just depends on your definition of a 'selling club'
In the o neill era we were the 3rd highest net spenders in the league- how can we be a selling club?man u lost ronaldo- are they a selling club?Arsenal lost henry and vierra - are they a selling club- once a player wants to leave and his contract is running low he will go- that is football!We have spent far more under randy than recouped in sales!
In my years of following Villa I have seen us relegated many times. Every relegation we suffered had one thing and one thing only in common. The correction of our faults was left too late. The incumbent manager was always given too much time and necessary action was left too late to be effective.Those of you calling people like Glasses and me idiots because we see the writing on the wall blatantly refuse to answer the single simple straightforward question - what single piece of evidence have you seen since Gerard Houllier was appointed our manager which shows him capable of having a better second half of the season than the first? Has he showed one spark of effectiveness in team motivation? fitness? mental attitude? building team spirit? asserting psychological domination of our opponents? getting the crowd behind the team? team discipline? team tactics? match tactics? team selection? tapping up targeted players like we have to endure from others? instilling self belief into players? instilling a spirit of fighting for every ball right to the final whistle? making match turning substitutions? There is no evidence of any kind whatsoever that Gerard Houllier, even if he is given the money, can buy his way out of the pit he has dug for himself.When you can produce some evidence that Houllier has the ability NOW not at Liverpool or in France when he was in his prime - NOW, to fight off relegation then you can call those of us who do not share your optimism idiots and compare us to Liverpool fans.
Quote from: MarkM on December 30, 2010, 03:19:50 PMQuote from: clampy on December 30, 2010, 03:15:23 PMNo, we're not a selling club. Milner and Barry wanted to go as soon as they heard they were wanted elsewhere. Same with Yorke, as soon as he heard Man Utd wanted him, he'd already deceided to pack, as his perfomance at Everton away showed.I'd say the only player we've sold for the money is Platt and at the time £5.5m was a hell of a lot to turn down.As I said, its just the reason for the sell thats differentWe sold because we couldnt hold onto them. Why?Because...1. more money2. better chance of winning things3. both of the aboveEither way we did sell, it just depends on your definition of a 'selling club'Well, your definition seems to be anyone who ever sells a player, so every club in the history of the game is a selling club.
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