Not happy, M. Houllier

[Clampy]

O Leary lost the fans with his constant belittling the club, mon lost many over the Moscow fiasco and tonight houllier has lost many with his disrespect and Liverpool love in- from herein the honeymoon is over mr houllier!

If Newcastle get jol then I will be pissed off.  If they get o neill I won't give a toss- martin jol should have been given the job whatever it took to get him last summer!

Houllier said he saw us as a midtable club when he took the job - now that would be overachieving!

 
East, you seem to be blaming Lerner on one thread and Houiller on another. Which one is it to be?

[Dante Lavelli]

This has probably been said in the preceding 7 pages but most of what I have read so far is drivel.  My tuppence worth:

MON's greatest attribute was to get the most out of his players, making the the teams value greater than the sum of its parts.  For example it is rare that a player moves away from MON and improves (unless he's been frozen out by MON).

Houllier on the flip side lacks this motivational acumen but is a better tactician and may be better at spotting players, building a club etc.

Therefore I am not surprised to see the form of the team decrease as I think a Houllier team needs players with more finesse than a MON team.  At the moment it is literally MON squad with 10 injuries.

My worry is that the Villa faithful and indeed Houllier will not have the patients to wait the required 2 transfer windows to see any improvement.

[olaftab]

From LFCs os;

He told his post-match press conference: "The fans were good. I appreciated the fact that they chanted my name at the end. It shows they can remember.

"There was also a banner at the start of the game. I was not emotional but I was extremely touched by that."

He added: "It's difficult to say but I prefer to lose 3-0 to Liverpool because I like Liverpool.

This and touching the Anfield sign. After tonight he will have to win the FA Cup for us  to keep me on his side.
The bloke is treating us like a covenient relationship to  stay in touch with  his first love...more fool us or rather Randy & Co.

[TheSandman]

This has probably been said in the preceding 7 pages but most of what I have read so far is drivel.  My tuppence worth:

MON's greatest attribute was to get the most out of his players, making the the teams value greater than the sum of its parts.  For example it is rare that a player moves away from MON and improves (unless he's been frozen out by MON).

Houllier on the flip side lacks this motivational acumen but is a better tactician and may be better at spotting players, building a club etc.

Therefore I am not surprised to see the form of the team decrease as I think a Houllier team needs players with more finesse than a MON team.  At the moment it is literally MON squad with 10 injuries.

My worry is that the Villa faithful and indeed Houllier will not have the patients to wait the required 2 transfer windows to see any improvement.

Do we? Have you seen our injury list?

We might lack some patience though...

[Archie]

Yes, this night my  honey moon with GH has officially terminated.
I don't remember a poorer performance of the boys in claret and blood, we have been annihilated in every part of the pitch in every moment of the game, my mood is black like the shirt that we wore this night.
It's worse than Chelsea last year for the sensation of impotence that we demonstrated  against an average team without their best players.
Those 2 central defenders are a farce - always belting the ball clear instead of trying and create from the back -, the full backs are slow and clumsy (thank you Mr O'Neill for  this overpaid defence), Hogg is an holding midfielder not a play maker, Clark should play in defence with Cuellar, Albrighton wasn't fit, Downing shoved an absolute lack of pluck and committment (thank you again Mr O'Neill), and Gabby was left alone.
A real tragedy, we are in a dark tunnel.
Houllier is  at the end of this carreer, to quote the great Bard of Avon, if "he has no  no spur to prick the sides of his intent, but only vaulting ambition, which o'erleaps itself, and falls on the other", he could stay to winter in South France; we should sign Jol or the great Gianfranco Zola.       

[villajoy]

If we were in the top half of the table then we could afford to be patient. Problem is we lost today from a below par lpool team and we dont look  beating anyone, even blose. Houlier is not the man! Villa till i die!!

[curiousorange]

This has probably been said in the preceding 7 pages but most of what I have read so far is drivel.  My tuppence worth:

MON's greatest attribute was to get the most out of his players, making the the teams value greater than the sum of its parts.  For example it is rare that a player moves away from MON and improves (unless he's been frozen out by MON).

Houllier on the flip side lacks this motivational acumen but is a better tactician and may be better at spotting players, building a club etc.

Therefore I am not surprised to see the form of the team decrease as I think a Houllier team needs players with more finesse than a MON team.  At the moment it is literally MON squad with 10 injuries.

My worry is that the Villa faithful and indeed Houllier will not have the patients to wait the required 2 transfer windows to see any improvement.

Your stance on Houllier may be correct, but that to me sounds like a director of football, not a manager. MON was a manager and regardless of what many thought of him on here, at least he was a focal point of the commitment of the team. I cam rarely remember a team giving up so completely so early under O'Neill.

[Bad English]

Houllier's strong point is looking after Houllier.

[brontebilly]

From LFCs os;


He added: "It's difficult to say but I prefer to lose 3-0 to Liverpool because I like Liverpool.

a sacking offence pure and simple. He has to go.

[Dante Lavelli]

What do people know about Gary MacAllister? 

My hunch is that Houlliers "hair dryer"days are over and has adopted a more carefree management style.  I do not have a problem with this as long as there is an appointed bad cop to complement Houllier's nouse and technical acumen.

Based on the fact that the whole thing seemed to be made up as we went along does anyone know whether Gary Mac has the required cajoles and therefore whether they'll be a good partnership.  What was he like at Leeds/Cov? 

[Clark W Griswold]

O Leary lost the fans with his constant belittling the club, mon lost many over the Moscow fiasco and tonight houllier has lost many with his disrespect and Liverpool love in- from herein the honeymoon is over mr houllier!

If Newcastle get jol then I will be pissed off.  If they get o neill I won't give a toss- martin jol should have been given the job whatever it took to get him last summer! 

Houllier said he saw us as a midtable club when he took the job - now that would be overachieving!

 
East, you seem to be blaming Lerner on one thread and Houiller on another. Which one is it to be?

Both maybe?

Not sure I would disagree. Looking like the 5 year plan has gone tits up as I'm sure it can't have been to end up just as shit as when they first took over, with some largely uninspiring drivel served up for much of the time in between with the exception of a couple of highlights here and there, and no actual achievements of any merit. I for one expected more from both of them, and from MON as well. A big bag of five year shite really, considering the hype at the time.

[jonzy85]

I wasn't happy when he got the job but thought, let's wait and see......

The minute he walked in he said we were mid-table team and something like we shouldnt fool ourselves into thinking we were Liverpool. This was despite we finished ahead of them last year. Also, they are hardly hte yardstick up against who clubs should be measured against.

The interview with Sky was cringing...especially the comment about them signing his name.

DO YOU THINK THEY WOULD HAVE BEEN SINGING YOUR NAME IF YOUR TEAM HADNT ROLLED OVER AND HAD THEIR BELLIES TICKLED??

I was a fan of MON, thought he brought us forward every year. I know many on here werent and disagree. But I think we can all say that Houllier is undoing what Mon had built. Suddenly, our defence, which was one of the best in the league last year are playing like a Titus-Bramble-calamity-moments Tribute Act.


Would MON had stood for Dunne putting on so much weight?

It makes me sick how far we done fall

[myf]

From LFCs os;


He added: "It's difficult to say but I prefer to lose 3-0 to Liverpool because I like Liverpool.

a sacking offence pure and simple. He has to go.

What the fuck was he thinking!?  He has only been here a few months and his quotes have been shocking.

No passion, regular love-ins with the opposition and open criticisms about several of our players.

[Dante Lavelli]

Your stance on Houllier may be correct, but that to me sounds like a director of football, not a manager. MON was a manager and regardless of what many thought of him on here, at least he was a focal point of the commitment of the team. I cam rarely remember a team giving up so completely so early under O'Neill.

You're bang on there.  I think there is a DoF feel about Houllier.  I almost wish that he had been given that title so he could sit slightly above the frenetic life of Premiership football as an intellectual observer i.e. doing what he is good at and let a younger manager bust his balls pitch-side. 

I'm not sure he has the hunger to do both roles properly and his biggest skill (for me) was never motivation or indeed being the focal point of a club.

[KevinGage]

This has probably been said in the preceding 7 pages but most of what I have read so far is drivel.  My tuppence worth:

MON's greatest attribute was to get the most out of his players, making the the teams value greater than the sum of its parts.  For example it is rare that a player moves away from MON and improves (unless he's been frozen out by MON).

Houllier on the flip side lacks this motivational acumen but is a better tactician and may be better at spotting players, building a club etc.

Therefore I am not surprised to see the form of the team decrease as I think a Houllier team needs players with more finesse than a MON team.  At the moment it is literally MON squad with 10 injuries.

My worry is that the Villa faithful and indeed Houllier will not have the patients to wait the required 2 transfer windows to see any improvement.

Patience is a virtue but you have to get a balance between giving a guy a fair crack of the whip and just coasting/ procrastinating for the sake of it.

Does this patience extend all the way to the Championship, is that genuinely a price worth paying to make sure the guy has two transfer windows?

I don't actually think we will go down, but the situation needs to be monitored.  If there are no obvious improvements, if we're seeing the same lack of effort and nous from the senior pros a decision would have to come sooner rather than later. Rather than just fobbing it off and saying it's all down to injuries et.c. Injuries do play a part, of course. But the players who are available are capable of far better than what they've delivered to date.

We've largely had a first choice back four to pick from all season, for example.