Liverpool v Aston Villa Post-Match Thread

[TheSandman]

That was fucking shite. I don't know why I bother or suffer the agony.

Our defence is absolutely fucking abysmal. You could pick three random guys of this forum and put them next to Luke Young and still be better than those three Internationals. It is even worse than MoN selecting Cuellar who could do an acceptable but poor job at right back that our current boss selecting Dunne and Warnock with Cuellar, Lichaj and others available. Dunne in his present form just about has to be the worst centre back I've seen as a Villa fan (Though I've been lucky I guess as we've had some class players there. I don't know how a back four once so solid is now so crap. It is dreadful.

Gabby and Albrighton did little. Probably due to being just coming back from injury.

Ireland was Ireland sauntering about occasionally looking bright.

Clark was poor but he is no central midfield. Hogg was a bit better. It is unjustifiable that some choose to criticise him as he is a victim of circumstance and there are those far more deserving of criticism both on and off the pitch.

Delfouneso looked bright when he came on. He should be getting played more.

Downing tried stuff but did not to that great effect.

Really unhappy with our manager's behaviour. If I was a rival manager visiting the Villa I wouldn't behave like that. Total fucking shite. I'm still backing him but it is really poor form.

[Bad English]

Wake up and smell the coffee Vila.

Don't you spell it 'Viler'?

;-)

[eastie]

Very poor - Albion is massive on sat, we need cuellar at centre half and to be honest having seen Albion yesterday I think we will be totally outplayed by them - Lerner should be over here till end of jan rather than spending time between browns and villa - we need leadership and I'm wondering if randy is still as committed as he once was!

Houllier will need a year at least to get this team sorted but he needs the backing of Lerner or we are fucked!

[ROBBO]

Is that the most pathetic performance by a villa side ever, did we have even one shot on goal? I can take not playing well with all the injuries we have but not the lack of effort. Fair play to Downing, not a great shift but always tried whis is more than the rest of the squad. The Hogg experiment must end  he tries but is not as yet good enough. Clark played as if he needs to catch his breath and what Cuellar has done to GH i Don't know but why he's not playing puzzles me. The only problem i have with GH is like our last three managers they're all looked back to what was not what is, we deserve better.

[Small Rodent]

Sigh.  It's the good old Villa cycle - just look at a graph of our league positions since getting promotion.  We can't go more than 5 seasons without an implosion of some sort.  This season is very similar to GT Mk2: a manager unpopular with fans for his playing style, but who achieved consistent league placings, feels he doesn't have the board's backing, leaves us in the shit and an apparently past-it manager comes in to steer us into a relegation battle.

BTW, did Sky allude to the fact that GH has changed our defensive system from man-to-man to zonal or vice-versa?  That would go some to explaining our defensive spasticity.

Also, that they seem to have been instructed to bring the ball down and try to stroke the ball around, rather than clear their lines. I beleive it was Paul McGrath who coined the phrase 'They cant score from row Z'

If I was in that defence I'd follow the Clough line.. "ignore what I said and go out there and enjoy yourselves."

[brian green]

I do not think Kevin McDonald would touch the picture, wave to the kop then wave to the kop at the end and ignore our fans for a start.   Perhaps his results would have been no better than this french poltroon but he would not have cost us twelve million and that twelve million could be spent on buying a player or two who really care.

[AVFCRob]

I totally agree with the antagonism towards Houillier tonight. We can all appreciate that Liverpool were important to him but he prostituted himself tonight. He degraded himself and Aston Villa Football Club. I don't want a manager who believes in and roots for another club. Our manager's don't have to have been Villa players or Villa fans (although that's great when it happens) but they at least have to be committed to our cause when they are with us. Houillier's gratuitous embrace of Liverpool FC tonight means he crossed a line for me and I'd rather someone else joined us who believes in us.

If I remember correctly, during the interview process for this job in the summer, Randy Lerner wanted a manager who showed an understanding of and belief in the traditions of Aston Villa. Perhaps Houillier was thinking of another club when he answered this question, eh?

[CJ]

Well that was just dire. OK we have injuries - but so have Liverpool.  And with no Gerrard or Torres they still didn't need to get out of second gear.  Woeful.

West Brom and Wigan are now MUST win games - anything less followed by Spurs, Citeh and Chelsea and we'll really be in the shit.

[not3bad]

Did my eyes decieve me did Houllier wave to the cop and ignore the Villa fans

Say he didn't ignore the Villa fans.  Can anyone confirm this?

[brontebilly]

A truly pathetic performance from the team tonight. The kind of performance a group of players gives when they want the manager out, everyone pointing at one another, petulant fouling, no support play, no passion, the body language on some players was just shocking. I'm afraid we need someone with energy in charge someone to give the place a lift. Gerard Houllier is not that man and if possible a change should be made as we are heading for the Championship. No ifs buts etc. Tonight showed us up against a poor liverpool side.

Friedel 5 - didnt have much to do. One decent save
Young 6 - not too bad defensively
Dunne 4 - not great at all. cumbersome
Collins 3 - see above but worse
Warnock - just fuck off you gutless ******.
Albrighton 2 -hopeless
Hogg 4 - lost rodrigues for third goal, was lost generally but at least gave his best
Clark 2 - at fault for two goals in a nightmare half
Downing 5 - tried to be fair in the second half
Gabby 2 - diabolical. disgraceful attitude and non existent workrate
Ireland 4 - woeful in first half but improved a bit after the break

Fonz 6 - has a great touch was our only player that turned on the ball all night and again gave it a lash anyway
Carew & Pires - finished

[richard moore]

Delfouneso looked good, Downing was hardworking and didn't do a lot wrong, probably Irelands best performance for us and looked a lot better when we went to 442. Luke Young didn't disgrace himself and Brad snr wasvirtually redundant(bar picking the ball out of the net). The rest were woeful. Seems like the usual suspects of Dunne, Collins and Warnock were abysmal.

Ireland, Young, and Delfouneso were shit...no disrespect meant mind!

[Fin Feds Dad]

We pay your wages Ged - not the bindippers anymore. Appreciate the villa fans.

Apologise or fuck off.

[not3bad]

I'm getting too used to this feeling after every Villa game

This

[OzVilla]

I have an irrational dislike of DOL.  Itr's irrational because we had some good/great moments under DOL, beting SHA  a few times, great first season, played some decent football early on etc along with the usual crap - like most Villa managers if we're honest.

No, the reason I have an irrational dislike of DOL was because he always gave the impression that the Villa job was slightly beneath him, that he'd already reached his zeneth at the mighty Leeds and my God he never stopped talking about it, unless ofcourse he was trying to dumb down the Villa's expectations ad standing as a Football Club.  In the end this mindset was tranferred to the players and the rest is history.

I'm starting to get the exact same feeling after tonight about Houllier.  Touching signs, waving to the Kop before and after an understrength and generally poor 'The Mighty Reds YNWA' team have handed our arses back to us.  Is he DOL mkII?

Not fecking good on so many levels it isn't funny.

[Richard C]

Did my eyes decieve me did Houllier wave to the cop and ignore the Villa fans

Say he didn't ignore the Villa fans.  Can anyone confirm this?

If he did , for that alone he should be sacked.