Our Centre Halves

[villajk]

I haven't read the whole of this thread but Dunne needs to be sent to Boot Camp.  He's about 2 stone overweight for a professional footballer and it shows in the way he plays.

[Bosco81]

Thought Warnock had a cracking game, Dunne has been poor all season, with Cuellar and Davies waiting in the wings he needs to pull his finger out.

Beye was a poor signing, I'd rather have Young in all day long.

[ROBBO]

For most of last season we had Cuellar at right back and Milner always chasing back as an extra defender.
Didn't agree with Carlos at right back because his distribution was woeful but what he did give us was aerial superiority and although NRC has taken Milners role he is not of the same quality. I like Bannons skills but he cannot play as a midfielder he is just too small, Ash Young where has his skill disappeared to? he rarely beats his man nowdays and prefers to argue with officials. What we desperately need is a boss on the pitch
someone who frightens his teamates and the opposition, we lack the desperation to succeed. If we have to pay the earth to get someone to fill that role we have to do it because some of our players are just going through the motions.

[itbrvilla]

Bannan isn't too small at all.  thats just rubbish.  ask Messi

[Shrek]

The last time we withstood pressure, had abit of file and grit, was against wolves and Everton.

Cueller played against wolves and I think Dunne was injured early against Everton I think.

We cannot carry Dunne anymore, as Houllier said we can't score 3 every game.

Yeah Collins has made a few mistakes but he has not support from Dunne.
We need Cueller with Collins ASAP.

[frank black]

It's the Milner,  quellar thing that's missing. Quellar covered up any of Collins or dunes errors, Whilst Milner covered the right back void. Luke young isn't good enough at defending to do this. So if they get past our back two, it's curtains. I know this is controversial but put quellar in at right back and all will be fine. Although I know he's crap going forwards.



P.S no I am not mon. You can debate having a more attacking fullback till the cows come home. But we do not have the players to cover young 'bombing on' in our midfield at this time.

[Mazrim]

I'm as strong as a horse and I doubt I could carry Dunne.

[richard moore]

Whilst I don't agree in principle with having Cuellar at full-back due to his poor distribution, I'm not sure it is actually any worse than Luke Young's to be honest. Any notion that Young is some sort of attacking, passing full-back is totally lost on me. In fact, of all our defenders if you watch matches carefully, he is the most likely to hoof it aimlessly up the pitch. So we might as well put Cuellar in for his better defensive qualities. Luke Young isn't good enough for me and should be got rid of, though he is no means the most urgent candidate for binning - Carew, Ireland, Sidwell, Warnock and Dunne are a long way ahead in that queue...

[Rip Van We Go Again]

Collins has been sub-standard, but Dunne is now pathetic, if he can't lose the timber and improve his game, fuck him off.

[Mazrim]

I'd persist with Ireland as the rewards could be worth it. He is potentially a top class player. Warnock will hopefully come through this bad spell and is a good player usually. The others, meh.
I think the majority of our senior players need to do one to be honest.

Use the youth as the core of the squad and sign selected top class players to bolster them.

[JUAN PABLO]

I thought Warnock was better last night , as with Ireland ..   Dunne needs to be dropped Monday night for Cuellar..

[Merv]

Friedel, Luke Young and Dunne are the ones who need to be moved on, IMO. Friedel's given us three seasons (if he remains as No.1 for the rest of this campaign) of decent service, been pretty consistent, which, to be honest was about the most we could have asked for given his age when he signed him. I don't think he's done a lot wrong but he's 40 (or just about to turn 40) and it's obvious we need a long-term solution.

I like Luke Young but he's the wrong side of 30 and won't improve. We could keep him as back-up to a new RB but I doubt that will suit him, and I'd hope that Lichaj could push on and do that job.

Again, I like Dunne in a 'go on big man!' sentimental kind of way but he's costing us goals near enough every week, looks off the pace and, yes, a liability. He's also over 30.

Collins is still decent, I think, and I can't accept that Warnock won't improve and get back to a decent level. When fit, I'd pair Cuellar with Collins. Clark can revert to a CB option when we get some midfield players back. In the summer we move Dunne on and make a decision on Davies - he's either back as a genuine contender to start, or we sell him and sign a new CB.

Other priorities in Jan I know, but I'd like us to sign a back-up left-back if we can. New RB in the summer.

[ktvillan]

Not nail on head at all.

Dunne's penchant for the fcuk up was in full effect long before Petrov and NRC became unavailable through injury.

Versus Newcastle, Stoke, Tottenham and Sunderland goals were scored as a direct result of a Dunne error and v Bolton at home he was pulled off at half time after a 'mare of a first half.

Though what looked bad that afternoon looks quite normal now.

There was a run of games before Reo got injured in which we looked pretty solid I'd argue. Bham, Sunderland, Fulham was there another one? The problem then was going forward.

To be honest we have huge problems. We can't continue to play a midfield where only one player can tackle. We aren't scoring goals, lose the ball in dangerous positions, both full backs are struggling and a heap of players are finished. This could get worse before it gets better imo as the ability to dig out a result seems to have disappeared.

Would that be the Sunderland game where Dunne put through his own goal whilst under no pressure whatsoever? I fully agree with Kevin Gage, Dunney was all over the place at Newcastle, lost VDV twice for Spurs goals, has been awful in many other games and is committing error after error.  He could have the Barcelona midfield in front of him but he'd still be fat, slow and error-prone.  The worst thing about him is he looks like he doesn't really care any more.

I think Collins is being a bit hard done by, he was poor last night but has also had some decent games this season.

[pablopicasso_10]

they were disgraceful... along with the inept warnock... have been all season...

[Ger Regan]

it's obvious we need a long-term solution.

GH has said so himself.