0% Villa - Classless Celtic supporters

[cdbearsfan]

I would love it if the SPL actually did take action against both clubs when they sing their sectarian shite but they never will.

[Reality]

What can they do though? They already fine both clubs. Deduct points? They'll still take the league.

Do you keep on banning fans? I'd go with that and report them to the local police to deal with. You wouldn't get away with shouting hatred in the streets on a day to day basis so why should a football match be any different?

[WarszaVillan]

Making a point about poppies is crass and insensitive. However, displaying a banner against the presence of British troops in Afghanistan and Iraq is not. These people should realise that to get their point accross they should not be making enemies with people who want to remember the war-dead. But those wearing poppies should also take moment and remember the 100s of thousands that our government has killed and maimed in recent years.

.. what context does that comment have regrading this point?

I would have thought it was obvious. The majority of the banner is against the wars in afghanistan and Iraq, something that I think is entirely justified and correct. However, using the poppy in this way just divides people and is not justifiable. But as someone else points out if the poppy campaign does not want to be political then it shouldn't have sought sponsorship from BAE - a company that produces weapons that have been responsible for the deaths of innocent people. I am all in favour of remembering those who have died in wars (whatever the wrongs and rights of those wars) but I would not want to help support companies like BAE. But it seems this green brigade were just trying to stir things up - it would have been much better if they'd raised a white poppy for example.

[GullyFoyle]

Making a point about poppies is crass and insensitive. However, displaying a banner against the presence of British troops in Afghanistan and Iraq is not. These people should realise that to get their point accross they should not be making enemies with people who want to remember the war-dead. But those wearing poppies should also take moment and remember the 100s of thousands that our government has killed and maimed in recent years.

.. what context does that comment have regrading this point?

I would have thought it was obvious. The majority of the banner is against the wars in afghanistan and Iraq, something that I think is entirely justified and correct. However, using the poppy in this way just divides people and is not justifiable. But as someone else points out if the poppy campaign does not want to be political then it shouldn't have sought sponsorship from BAE - a company that produces weapons that have been responsible for the deaths of innocent people. I am all in favour of remembering those who have died in wars (whatever the wrongs and rights of those wars) but I would not want to help support companies like BAE. But it seems this green brigade were just trying to stir things up - it would have been much better if they'd raised a white poppy for example.

Opium poppies would be more relevant in Glasgow.

[DB]

Having spent a lot of time up there in recent years, there are idiots on both 'sides' who like to stir it up and get a reaction. Best thing to do is not give them the publicity.

[cheltenhamlion]

Bunch of c***s. I don't have much more to add really.

And they still suggest that Rangers are the bigots and they are the poor, put upon club that gets tarred with teh same brush? Dear me.

Rangers are just as much bigots as Celtic fans. They have UFV / UDA supporters clubs going over to Rangers matches from the ShankilL Road and Sandy Road. They also sing about being up to their knees in Fenian blood. Both sets of fans are embarrassing to football. They always have been and always will be.

You are missing my point.

It's all rather pathetic on both sides of the divide but at least Rangers seem to accept their part in this rather than the rank hypocrisy which comes out of Celtic.

[Lambert and Payne]

Bunch of c***s. I don't have much more to add really.

And they still suggest that Rangers are the bigots and they are the poor, put upon club that gets tarred with teh same brush? Dear me.

Rangers are just as much bigots as Celtic fans. They have UFV / UDA supporters clubs going over to Rangers matches from the ShankilL Road and Sandy Road. They also sing about being up to their knees in Fenian blood. Both sets of fans are embarrassing to football. They always have been and always will be.

You are missing my point.

It's all rather pathetic on both sides of the divide but at least Rangers seem to accept their part in this rather than the rank hypocrisy which comes out of Celtic.

Rangers are banned from singing that song and would have been thrown out from europe if they werent knocked out for their antics in Villarreal.
In my opinion, Celtic fans are much much worse than Rangers, but for some strange reason they don't get punished and are always the victims.
There is youtube footage of Celtic fans in Newcastle singing ' the i the i the ira' that was sent into FIFA and they turned a blind eye. Celtic sung through the minutes silence last year albeit in small numbers and got away with it.

[Lee]

Making a point about poppies is crass and insensitive. However, displaying a banner against the presence of British troops in Afghanistan and Iraq is not. These people should realise that to get their point accross they should not be making enemies with people who want to remember the war-dead. But those wearing poppies should also take moment and remember the 100s of thousands that our government has killed and maimed in recent years.

.. what context does that comment have regrading this point?

I would have thought it was obvious. The majority of the banner is against the wars in afghanistan and Iraq, something that I think is entirely justified and correct. However, using the poppy in this way just divides people and is not justifiable. But as someone else points out if the poppy campaign does not want to be political then it shouldn't have sought sponsorship from BAE - a company that produces weapons that have been responsible for the deaths of innocent people. I am all in favour of remembering those who have died in wars (whatever the wrongs and rights of those wars) but I would not want to help support companies like BAE. But it seems this green brigade were just trying to stir things up - it would have been much better if they'd raised a white poppy for example.

Well, no it isn't but seeing your Sig, perhaps I can see why you posted it. The Banner has 100% to do with the Irish Question (copyright William Gladstone), and nothing to do with the current conflicts accept the fact that they want to try and legitamise their issues against Poppy wearing.

I totally agree that Protests are justified, but why at a football match and why around Remembrance Week? You know and I know exactly why. I'm sure that there are Muslims at Villa Park on match days that feel the same about Iran and Afghanistan, but have not caused anywhere near the furore that these banners have. They come to watch a football game. I would take a good guess that they have caused huge divide amongst the rank and file of the Celtic Support as well.

As for the Sponsorship, well I can see your point. I don't entirely agree, but I perhaps this is a different area of discussion. I'm sure that the Legion would be able to justify why they are using that particular company. I have no idea why and genuinely not even looked.

I feel sorry for the families of Serviceman are Celtic Fans, as it's a huge smack in the face for them and their loved ones. For all the efforts by the SFA to stop issues such as this, it seems that some people will never let go.

[Mac]

Bunch of c***s. I don't have much more to add really.

And they still suggest that Rangers are the bigots and they are the poor, put upon club that gets tarred with teh same brush? Dear me.

Rangers are just as much bigots as Celtic fans. They have UFV / UDA supporters clubs going over to Rangers matches from the ShankilL Road and Sandy Road. They also sing about being up to their knees in Fenian blood. Both sets of fans are embarrassing to football. They always have been and always will be.

No one is defending Rangers here, and as always when these comparisons are made, it's always seems to give the latest outrage an air of respectability because "the other lot are worse."  Each incident should be taken on it's own merits.

[Le Lapin]

Those banners are the work of morons that use this so called "cause" as a tag to hang their biggotry. A good friend of mine (a marine) died in Afganistan fighting the Taliban two years ago this weekend, he's from the West of Ireland, I'm from the South East, in my opinion these soldiers are all heroes regardless of where your passport anchores you to. I have listened to small minded Celtic wearing fookwits making snide remarks about by buddy and it's not good. I love seeing Celtic jersey and Rangers getting a tanking in Europe, it might remind them eventually of how inward looking they are and what their jerseys mean to a lot of people.
They do not represent the 99% of Irish people or the majority of Scottish people. It's embarrassing in this day and age.

[TheSandman]

What can they do though? They already fine both clubs. Deduct points? They'll still take the league.

Do you keep on banning fans? I'd go with that and report them to the local police to deal with. You wouldn't get away with shouting hatred in the streets on a day to day basis so why should a football match be any different?

Even bigger fines and swingeing fines, playing matches behind closed doors, ban them from European competition (which both clubs need for financial reasons)... ?

Bunch of c***s. I don't have much more to add really.

And they still suggest that Rangers are the bigots and they are the poor, put upon club that gets tarred with teh same brush? Dear me.

Rangers are just as much bigots as Celtic fans. They have UFV / UDA supporters clubs going over to Rangers matches from the ShankilL Road and Sandy Road. They also sing about being up to their knees in Fenian blood. Both sets of fans are embarrassing to football. They always have been and always will be.

You are missing my point.

It's all rather pathetic on both sides of the divide but at least Rangers seem to accept their part in this rather than the rank hypocrisy which comes out of Celtic.

Absolutely, most Rangers supporters accept that they have a share of total fuckwits in their support whereas Celtic don't. This is every bit as sickening as Rangers supporters and their anti-catholic chants. Yet, until recently or rather this weekend there has been nothing like the degree of criticism from some in the media.

There have been other cases of things like this (chants rather than something as visible as banner). The year before last it happened at a match a friend of mine was at. The only mention I heard of it was from him and there was nothing in the media. If anything it was underplayed.

[Villa'Zawg]

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Absolutely, most Rangers supporters accept that they have a share of total fuckwits in their support whereas Celtic don't...

Celtic do.

Talkceltic - Shame Green Brigade

[PeterWithesShin]

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Absolutely, most Rangers supporters accept that they have a share of total fuckwits in their support whereas Celtic don't...

Celtic do.

Talkceltic - Shame Green Brigade

That thread is a year old. This one shows current feelings more.

Talkceltic - Celtic apologises

[Hookeysmith]

Dont want to get into the politics of it but this is so ingrained in families up there from day one of their lives. A few years ago i worked and stayed in a village in Lanarkshire called Larkhall (I was told by many that most from around the Glasgow area will know about it) Anyway it is a Rangers stronghold to a point where Lloyds chemist (whose logo is a green and white cross) now have a blue and white one in place. At some points the traffic lights are
Red
Amber
Blue (most were painted out when i was there)
Facing the building i was at the council installed a kiddies play area in the park and it was corperation green - the next morning the residents painted it (you guessed it blue)

Most of them did not have a lawn as they said "We canna face seeing green"

Was there one saturday when they had the "Marching season"  Orange men in aprons and bowlerhatsd strutting their stuff to the church in the next village to band some drums - i have not got a fucking clue what it was all about but they take it very seriously.

At least 2 of the jocks in the factory i was at wore England shirts and even went to England games

Crazy place filled with hate filled crazy people - it will never change

[PeterWithesShin]

This is the Green Brigade's statement on it.

Link

At half-time during today's match against Aberdeen we displayed message banners calling for `No bloodstained poppys on our hoops' in protest at the Club's decision to once again wear the poppy on our shirts during next week's game at St Mirren (a match our group will not attend because of this decision). This is in support of an appeal by Poppyscotland to all SPL clubs. Poppyscotland describes its role as `supporting heroes' and state that `the poppy has become a symbol of remembrance and for the sacrifices made by our Armed Forces'. Our group and many within the Celtic support do not recognise the British Armed Forces as heroes, nor their role in many conflicts as one worthy of our remembrance.

Earlier this year, the Saville Report on Bloody Sunday confirmed that 14 unarmed civilians were murdered in Derry in 1972 by the Paratroop Regiment. They were among hundreds killed by the British Army during the most recent phase of conflict in Ireland. More recently, the British Armed Forces have murdered and maimed many thousands more innocent civilians in Iraq and Afghanistan. The poppy remembers not just our grandfathers who fought the Nazis but also those who sank the Belgrano and brutally occupied the streets of Belfast and Basra. While we recognise the right of individuals to remember their dead and that many within the Celtic support will wear the poppy in memory of family and friends lost in WW2 and other conflicts, we cannot accept the imposition of the poppy onto our shirts.

As far back as April, representatives from the Green Brigade, Celtic Supporters Association and Celtic Trust met with Peter Lawwell to express our united opposition to the Club imposing the poppy on the first team jersey. We also know that the AICSC and many other individual supporters had called on the Club to reverse their position of previous years and take the poppy off the shirt. Following our meeting in April, the Club were contacted on several occasions for further dialogue on the issue but informed us that they were still considering their position and would get back to us.

The first any group knew of the decision was after it had been made, and publicly announced. We share the views of the AICSC whose recent statement on the poppy stated that `to see the jersey being used as a medium for such a divisive symbol and the message it communicates is deplorable', and that it showed a complete lack of respect for the support, further highlighted by repeated declarations on the official website of Celtic's delight to be wearing the poppy and supporting Poppyscotland. It appears rather than leave his politics at the door, chairman John Reid, the former Armed Forces Minister and Secretary of State for Northern Ireland and Defence, has forced his onto the first team jersey.