Why the long faces about Houllier?

[magic monks]

Houllier hasn't managed in England for 6 years.  Only last season, MON supporters were telling us how much harder it is to achieve a 6th place finish now than it was when O'Leary did it.  Which was 6 years ago.

While you were telling us it was a piece of piss, so no doubt the new man will do it while at the same debating existentialism and smoking a Gitanes in the dug out.

That's some good knowledge, I'd have said 'Gauloises'

[pmk1981]

just wondering mate

i have had a season ticket now for 13 years and dont miss any home games and get away when i can and buy every home and away shirt so i can say i put a fair bit of money into the villa

I just think i have the right to be fooked off when this sort of appointment is made.

OH SHIT WHILE I WAS WRITING THAT I REALISED SOMETHING.... HOULLIER SIGNED HESKEY FOR LIVERPOOL....YOU DO REALISE THERE IS A GOOD CHANCE HE WILL PLAY EVERY GAME ........

[Olneythelonely]

just wondering mate

i have had a season ticket now for 13 years and dont miss any home games and get away when i can and buy every home and away shirt so i can say i put a fair bit of money into the villa

I just think i have the right to be fooked off when this sort of appointment is made.

OH SHIT WHILE I WAS WRITING THAT I REALISED SOMETHING.... HOULLIER SIGNED HESKEY FOR LIVERPOOL....YOU DO REALISE THERE IS A GOOD CHANCE HE WILL PLAY EVERY GAME ........

He also sold him.

[peter w]

Houllier also got rid of Friedel. You saying Guzan is likely to be our starting keeper with Marshall on the bench?

[peter w]

just wondering mate

i have had a season ticket now for 13 years and dont miss any home games and get away when i can and buy every home and away shirt so i can say i put a fair bit of money into the villa

I just think i have the right to be fooked off when this sort of appointment is made.

OH SHIT WHILE I WAS WRITING THAT I REALISED SOMETHING.... HOULLIER SIGNED HESKEY FOR LIVERPOOL....YOU DO REALISE THERE IS A GOOD CHANCE HE WILL PLAY EVERY GAME ........

Good day!

[Olneythelonely]

Houllier also got rid of Friedel. You saying Guzan is likely to be our starting keeper with Marshall on the bench?

Were you asking me this?

[Concrete John]

just wondering mate

i have had a season ticket now for 13 years and dont miss any home games and get away when i can and buy every home and away shirt so i can say i put a fair bit of money into the villa

I just think i have the right to be fooked off when this sort of appointment is made.

OH SHIT WHILE I WAS WRITING THAT I REALISED SOMETHING.... HOULLIER SIGNED HESKEY FOR LIVERPOOL....YOU DO REALISE THERE IS A GOOD CHANCE HE WILL PLAY EVERY GAME ........

He also sold him.

For a lot less than the £11m he signed him for.

[peter w]

Houllier also got rid of Friedel. You saying Guzan is likely to be our starting keeper with Marshall on the bench?

Were you asking me this?

No, pmk.

[Toronto Villa]

just wondering mate

i have had a season ticket now for 13 years and dont miss any home games and get away when i can and buy every home and away shirt so i can say i put a fair bit of money into the villa

I just think i have the right to be fooked off when this sort of appointment is made.

OH SHIT WHILE I WAS WRITING THAT I REALISED SOMETHING.... HOULLIER SIGNED HESKEY FOR LIVERPOOL....YOU DO REALISE THERE IS A GOOD CHANCE HE WILL PLAY EVERY GAME ........

I had a season ticket from 1985 to 1993. I moved to the US in 1995 and then to Canada in 1998. I try and get back twice a year and catch as many games (first team and reserves) as the time allows. It was hard following things in the late 90's but it's amazing now. I haven't missed "watching" a game in a good while. We are all entitled to our opinion. You are no better a fan for going every week than the rest of us. The club appreciates your support, but you are physically in the country. Life takes us in different directions and it doesn't mean my passion is any less than yours just because I live elsewhere. This isn't a debate that we need to have.

As for the Heskey thing, you have to remember it was when Heskey was a highly thought of player. He also scored 23 goals that year for Liverpool so the money was justified. Heskey is a very different player today, and one of the biggest things he's lost is his pace which he used more when he was younger. I don't think we need to worry about Heskey as his stay at Villa is short term at most, and I would guess the board have already sounded out that he'd be one of the salaries they'd like to cut if possible.

[pauliewalnuts]

just wondering mate

i have had a season ticket now for 13 years and dont miss any home games and get away when i can and buy every home and away shirt so i can say i put a fair bit of money into the villa

I just think i have the right to be fooked off when this sort of appointment is made.

OH SHIT WHILE I WAS WRITING THAT I REALISED SOMETHING.... HOULLIER SIGNED HESKEY FOR LIVERPOOL....YOU DO REALISE THERE IS A GOOD CHANCE HE WILL PLAY EVERY GAME ........

He also sold him.

For a lot less than the £11m he signed him for.

At least he had an excuse in that he bought him when he was a sought-after young striker, rather than a player that the world and his wife could see delivers the square root of feck all at club level.

He also managed to get a decent goals return out of him initially, too, rather than just a lot of "defensive strikering" and falling over.

*wink*

[Olneythelonely]

just wondering mate

i have had a season ticket now for 13 years and dont miss any home games and get away when i can and buy every home and away shirt so i can say i put a fair bit of money into the villa

I just think i have the right to be fooked off when this sort of appointment is made.

OH SHIT WHILE I WAS WRITING THAT I REALISED SOMETHING.... HOULLIER SIGNED HESKEY FOR LIVERPOOL....YOU DO REALISE THERE IS A GOOD CHANCE HE WILL PLAY EVERY GAME ........

He also sold him.

For a lot less than the £11m he signed him for.

How does that affect if he's going to play him or not?

[hilts_coolerking]

Houllier hasn't managed in England for 6 years.  Only last season, MON supporters were telling us how much harder it is to achieve a 6th place finish now than it was when O'Leary did it.  Which was 6 years ago.

While you were telling us it was a piece of piss, so no doubt the new man will do it while at the same debating existentialism and smoking a Gitanes in the dug out.

Rubbish, what I said was that 6th was the least we should have expected given the unprecedented level of money and control that O'Neill had.  That he spunked a lot of it up the wall, insisted on not using his squad properly and only knew one tactic are the reasons we never got any higher. Not that those drawbacks ever seemed to bother you.

In any case, the point I'm making is that if you believe the league is harder now than it was 6 years ago then saying "the game hasn't changed that much" doesn't wash, as TV has done in order to dismiss concerns that Houllier's six years out of the English game might possibly be a handicap.

[Toronto Villa]

Houllier hasn't managed in England for 6 years.  Only last season, MON supporters were telling us how much harder it is to achieve a 6th place finish now than it was when O'Leary did it.  Which was 6 years ago.

While you were telling us it was a piece of piss, so no doubt the new man will do it while at the same debating existentialism and smoking a Gitanes in the dug out.

Rubbish, what I said was that 6th was the least we should have expected given the unprecedented level of money and control that O'Neill had.  That he spunked a lot of it up the wall, insisted on not using his squad properly and only knew one tactic are the reasons we never got any higher. Not that those drawbacks ever seemed to bother you.

In any case, the point I'm making is that if you believe the league is harder now than it was 6 years ago then saying "the game hasn't changed that much" doesn't wash, as TV has done in order to dismiss concerns that Houllier's six years out of the English game might possibly be a handicap.

No. I just don't have a downer on it like you do because I don't see it as big a concern as you clearly do. Then again, outside of Mourinho or Wenger you'd have found fault in anyone we would have hired. And how much experience of England did Mourinho or Wenger have before they led their respective sides to incredible levels of success. Didn't seem to hamper them did it? In fact I'd be scared to death at your reaction if we were about to hire some bloke managing a team in Japan. You'd melt down.

[hilts_coolerking]

No. I just don't have a downer on it like you do because I don't see it as big a concern as you clearly do. Then again, outside of Mourinho or Wenger you'd have found fault in anyone we would have hired. And how much experience of England did Mourinho or Wenger have before they led their respective sides to incredible levels of success. Didn't seem to hamper them did it? In fact I'd be scared to death at your reaction if we were about to hire some bloke managing a team in Japan. You'd melt down.

Calm down TV. What I've actually said is that, as dave suggested, he's probably only going to be here for a year or two at the most so it's difficult to get either too enthusiatic or too despondent about it. I don't think Houllier's absence from the English game is something than can be so easily dismissed as you are doing. But to say "the game hasn't changed that much" when the exact opposite argument was used in defence of O'Neill's record is laughable.

[Concrete John]

I was having a bit of a laugh with the 'Heskey for £11m' thing.  But that having been said it was top dollar back then for a return of 39 goals from 150 games, which is around 1 in 4.  An eye for a player is an eye for a player, regardless of age, so he can be forgiven for paying more or him due to his age, but not for signing him in the first place.