Time for Randy to s*** or get off the pot?

[sfx412]

Yes, he did.  But was that because he refused to work under some reasonable limitations and spat his dummy or he was asked to work under ridiculous restrictions that undermined what he had spent 4 years building and found his position untennable?

2.  That we don't know the full reasons behind what happened and we'd like to know them.

So which is it? You know why Mon quit or we don't know the reasons?

General K said, Randy spoke to Mon and happy in the knowledge all was well he flew back to the US. As he did Mon ran off.

Wrap it up whichever way you want he left us in the shit and looked after number 1 first, disgraceful.

[sfx412]

Personally I would rather stick with him than get somebody ten times richer who may not have the club in his heart as Randy clearly does.

 I believe in what RL has done and is doing because he's not given me any reason to doubt him seriously, unlike our last manager.

But I also believe if it suited his circumstances he'd hand over the club to someone else along with plenty of the right excuses.

[Concrete John]

Yes, he did.  But was that because he refused to work under some reasonable limitations and spat his dummy or he was asked to work under ridiculous restrictions that undermined what he had spent 4 years building and found his position untennable?

2.  That we don't know the full reasons behind what happened and we'd like to know them.

So which is it? You know why Mon quit or we don't know the reasons?

OK, which part of the question mark on the first post you quoted didn't you understand?

To make it simple for you - I was offering two alternative scenarios and asking which is right, which ties into the 2nd post where I say we don't yet know the reasons behind what happened.

Except for you, who has put aside your previous dislike for the previous manager and from the vague statements relaeased drawn the logical conclusion that Martin is possessed by the disembodied spirit of Steve Hodge and has a master plan to destroy the club.

[Claret trim]

Personally, I dissociate the two issues: the appalling timing of MON's leaving that he alone is responsible for, and the air of executive level confusion at VP. These are not contradictory viewpoints, as a number of posters seem to be suggesting.

MON's departure is water under the bridge. However, what continues to be an issue is the lack of executive decisiveness. This issue has been with us for a while and is reflected in the numerous changes of executive management structure during the RL tenure. While we had a strong manager, we were able to hide the problem to a degree, but in the current context it is a real achilles' heel. Perhaps it is simply the case that the Board is doing things "the right way", "behind closed doors" and not airing our problems in public, etc. But an alternative reading would be that we just had no plan B – despite being aware of MON's volatility. As time goes on, I am increasingly persuaded that it is the latter, which begs the question of why were we not better prepared?

 



 

[oldMan]

Still trying to get my head around yesterday and I am trying to take a step back and recognise that it is only one defeat just like West Ham was just one win.

But...leaving aside the results of the past week, I am getting increasingly concerned at where the club is going.

To be honest I dont know what the solution is here. On the one hand I think we need a manager in asap, on the other we dont wnat ot rush out and get just anybody. This is the dilemma facing Randy.

My worry is that Randy doesnt know what to do either. Since MON left he has given us one bland statement and the General has given us several assurances that everything will be ok. I dont for one minute expect them to be disclosing every detail of the hunt for a new manager, but I just feel there is a lack of decisiveness amongst the people running the club.

I dont want to re-open a debate about MON and the timing of his decision to leave. Fact of the matter he is gone.
As soon as I heard the news, I got this feeling that something is very wrong at the club.
Whatever people's opinions of MON are, I think most people would acknowledge that for him to leave when he did meant that there was something fundamentally wrong at the club. We dont know all the details, but MON wouldnt ahve upped and left when he did over something minor.
I've had that feeling since MON left and the club has done absolutely nothing to temper it.

Randy is the bossman, so the buck stops with him. We can give out about MON's timing of departure, but Randy has to take responsibility for letting a situation develop where our manager felt his only option was to resign. Again, without the exact details we cant be too specific on that, but as it with any company the bossman has to take responsibility.

So in summary, am I the only one that is feeling a little disillusioned by the people running the club?
This is not a kneejerk reaction to yesterday's result, however maybe it has brought things into sharper focus.
Im not even sure what Im looking for Randy or the board to do or say, all I know is that what they have done/not done is not enough and I expect more from people who are in the position of running our club. I will say that I am beginning to wonder if we have the right people at the helm.

I hope my doubts are unfounded and I am proved wrong.

Right people are the helm?

They dont have as much money as City, what would you like them to do?

We are a well run club, nothing like Liverpool or Pompey for example.

We cannot compete with Man City however, upset people get its not going to happen.

We have to do it the hard way.

[BannedUserIAT]

Does troll-food come in snack-packs, John or did you buy the family-sized box?

[Concrete John]

Does troll-food come in snack-packs, John or did you buy the family-sized box?

I won a lifetime supply in the 'draw what you think gregnash looks like' competition.

[BannedUserIAT]

Ooh, fuck me, I'd wish I'd seen that!

[peter w]

Thing is Randy has done very little wrong thus far so it is very difficult for even those who were in support of the then manager to criticse Randy for any part in O'Neill leaving. of course it must have been 6 of one, or probably more likely to be seven of one 5 of the other.

If it were Ellis it would have been him that would have caused outrage at being such a tyrant, or an idiot, that he forced a manager into a position that meant he could do no more than resign in exasperation.

Its all about perception and its a sign of how much we still have a love-in with Randy, and that we b and large support him fully that the fall out of all this is anti-O'Neill. Maybe his silence - O'Neill's - is a lot to do with his, and maybe even the media's, total surprise of the mood of the Villa fans and the fact that there has not been even the remotest howl of derision towards the board, and outrage, behind O'Neill leaving us.

Lost 6-0 and its still more or less a polite - 'We love you but sort it ouit please'.

[jonzy85]

The problem I have Jonzy, is not the question but the title. Which is in my opinion, a disgrace and it doesn't do you any credit.

Time for Randy to shit or get off the potty? Couldn't you have phrased it with a wee bit more respect?
Especially as he has "shit" an absolute fortune on this club already. Never mind all the other stuff he's done in and around the club.

Sorry, I'm not having a go but its all part of the vulgarity that's pissing me off in football. All money money money. Its time to get somebody richer so we can compete with all the other lunacy? No thanks. I'd rather have the right man than the richest. Not that I think Randy has stopped or will in anyway stop financially investing in the club.

Personally I would rather stick with him than get somebody ten times richer who may not have the club in his heart as Randy clearly does.

Apologies if you took any offence with the title. Didn't mean any disrespect to Randy or the club, just a turn of phrase.
FWIW, I have read plenty more vulgar comments on this forum, but again I apologise if you took offence.

I agree entirely about your comments re the vulgarity in football.
It's part of the reason that for the first time in my life I greeted the new season with a lot of indifference.
We know, eventually, Man City will buy the League and that Chelsea and Man Utd's past spending will keep them up there for the time being.

With regard to Villa and this mess were in...I'm still trying to get my head around it and how it has come to this.
Obviously, we dont know all the facts, but because Randy is the man in charge, he is the one we are looking to to sort it out.
I do feel that we have the right to be worried as we are completely in the dark with regard to where the club is going.
I dont for a minute expect Randy or the General to keep us filled in on their pursuit of a new manager, that wouldn't serve any purpose.
At the same time, the longer it goes on like this, the more worried I feel.
I am hoping and praying that it is a case of Randy and the board being meticulous and careful in appointing the new manager.
However, I do not have absolute blind faith in them. MON resigned for a reason, we dont know what it is. But it does concern me.
Maybe MON was being completely unreasonable with what he expected, but......maybe not.

Until a new man is put in place and we see what, if any, signings can be made, my worries will persist.
The General is an absolute gent and a class act for answering us on this forum, but nothing he has said has really encouraged me if Im being honest.

[Rudy Can't Fail]

But an alternative reading would be that we just had no plan B – despite being aware of MON's volatility. As time goes on, I am increasingly persuaded that it is the latter, which begs the question of why were we not better prepared?

I posted a few weeks ago about how I thought the board would have a contingency plan is place, should we require a new manager. I was obviously wrong. That's not to say I'm panicing but I would hope and trust they'll learn from this sorry lesson.

[hilts_coolerking]

but to keep on moaning and critizing after getting your wish is just the hight of hypocrocy,

just have to give it time to see how things work out

Who's moaning?  Not me.  All I'm saying is that there are some questions that need answering.

As for getting my wish, like I said, my wish was for a better manager.  We're halfway there.

And who we end up appointing will be an answer to at least one of those questions.

[Clampy]

   
[/quote]
Who's moaning?  Not me.  All I'm saying is that there are some questions that need answering.

As for getting my wish, like I said, my wish was for a better manager.  We're halfway there.

And who we end up appointing will be an answer to at least one of those questions
[/quote]

I'm not sure what else you need to know other than what the General has already said. MON walked
out 5 days before the season started and we are now looking for a new manager. Simple as that really.

[not3bad]

Shit or get off the pot?
I think Randy has shit a couple of hundred million quid.

I'd just like to point out Randy is welcome to use my toilet any time.

[ktvillan]

but to keep on moaning and critizing after getting your wish is just the hight of hypocrocy, 

Sorry but I don't see any hypocrisy or contradiction at all in not being a fan of the manager and perhaps wanting him to go, but also showing some concern about the underlying conditions that resulted in him quitting.  They are seperate issues.