Manager/Coach, whats the difference ?

[john e]

yes, i know there is a difference, but what exactly is it ?

people like Clough and MON who spend most of the week in the office doing managerial things, but then pick the side on saturday, and dictate tactics are considered Managers

then there are Coaches who, well errr.. just coach, in the week they work with the players on a day to day basis, but are considered a lightwieght option for managment.

then there are managers with a hands on approach, who will be found out on the training pitch with the players,
practising set pieces, working on tactics, i think Hodgson and Redknap and even Fergie might well fall into this category.

so KM is a coach but not a manager ? MON is a manager but not a coach,
whats the big differences in these two positions ?

and what does a manager do all week if he's not on the training pitch sorting the team out, if he's doing office work he's just a jumped up administrator

[BILL DE VALL]

In a Military sense(football is war)

A manager is the C in C ,not politically running the whole show(directors cheif exec chairman/owner etc)
But in charge of sending men to their deaths to win victories
The manager has a massive infuence over a players career-play or not to play,sell or loan or stiff

A coach is more like a junior officer he takes care of and is on the lookout for ALL the players-he is not making enemies by leaving people out/deciding contracts etc

KMac is trying to give every one a go so you can see he is not trying to do anything but coach the players to play better

A manager might sacrifice nice football for results
the Coach wants to play good stuff-cos thats what they want their young uns to do
Its the manager that takes the player aside and says track him ,sod the ball just run with him all game etc

[TonyD]

A Manager manages the team and the Coach is like a bus that takes the team to the ground.

[Hookeysmith]

I would imagine the mgr dictates how he wants the players to play and has the coaches to ensure they are fit enough and have enough awareness and skills to achieve that way of playing.

Manager buys a certain player and the coach fits them into the workings of the team

In the modern game the mgr's role is as much a media link with the club than with the playing side as well as being a politician when it comes to club affairs.

The coach is also a role similar to a Union rep in as much as he hears the moans / gripes of the players and acts as the go between in communications between mgr and players. Unless you are Fergie and then the role is just about throwing things at players

[Irish villain]

I would concur with the replies to John e. I would also add that the manager needs to have a certain charisma and personality. He has to be able to lift the player in the dressing room or know exactly what to say that will get a performance from his players.

He needs to just have a certain something that the players respect or fear. He also has to have an overall strategy and to know exactly who fits where and what their job is. He Has to be good at making decisions under pressure too.

In a way, a manager is like a political leader whereas a coach is like a civil servant presenting him with the options and keeping the day to day show on the road... but in a crisis the buck stops with the manager.

[Rudy Can't Fail]

A manager that only manages is a thing of the past and has been for a long time. As the financial situation continues to be a major issue within football, I can see a move towards a more European set up, where the coach is king. Afterall, football is the core business of every club, why not search for the most talented coaches, rather than a clever soundbite manager that keeps the media happy. The ideal situation is somebody that can do both, like Mourinho.

[BannedUserIAT]

Maybe this is where our national model falls down. We get in a quality manager, call him a coach, he gets confused, the players have affairs with their team-mates wives, and it all falls to shit.

Maybe if the FA appoint a coach, call him a manager, then things might go better and we'll win the World Cup again?

No, I don't think so either.

[BannedUserIAT]

Double up

[john e]

but the guy working with the players daily, on set pieces, defensive formats, attacking synario's, has got to be the most important man in the club, he is working on what happens on the pitch, which is where it counts.

i have a problem with a manager, who just turns up once in a while to the training ground, makes a few calls on his mobile re transfers, and puts the arm around one of his players at half time,
its a load of tosh, the coach is where its at

i agree with Mark Kelly, old fashioned managers should be a thing of the past,
what we should be looking for is a top class coach, not a gloryfied administrator who sounds good for the camera