Statement this morning

[pauliewalnuts]

I'm just surprised Randy gave such a dignified statement regarding a manager that couldn't even be arsed to tell him he was quitting. Four years working together and O'Neill couldn't even be bothered to call him.

No, he got the General to do his dirty work yesterday.

Does the general not have a mind of his own then?

I'm sure he does, but I can't help but think that there wasn't some plan there. The General is a non-executive member, yet he as close to Randy as anyone. To me the General throwing bombs as a non-exective member is just convenient.

Incidentally, Pelty has been proven to be the most "ITK" poster anywhere on the internet.

Food for thought for all those who got their knickers into a twist and dismissed him a few weeks ago.

[Chris Smith]

I'm just surprised Randy gave such a dignified statement regarding a manager that couldn't even be arsed to tell him he was quitting. Four years working together and O'Neill couldn't even be bothered to call him.

No, he got the General to do his dirty work yesterday.

Does the general not have a mind of his own then?

Yes, but if he's going around issuing statements like that without approval then he should be sacked. I think it was a very calculated act, it's their choice but it's a long way from dignified.

He gave his opinion, something he's been doing for four years and of which you have always been in total approval.

"To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it", G K Chesterton.

[dave.woodhall]

I'm just surprised Randy gave such a dignified statement regarding a manager that couldn't even be arsed to tell him he was quitting. Four years working together and O'Neill couldn't even be bothered to call him.

No, he got the General to do his dirty work yesterday.

Does the general not have a mind of his own then?

Yes, but if he's going around issuing statements like that without approval then he should be sacked. I think it was a very calculated act, it's their choice but it's a long way from dignified.

He gave his opinion, something he's been doing for four years and of which you have always been in total approval.

"To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it", G K Chesterton.

"And the time is right when I say it is," C. Smith

[pauliewalnuts]

Chris

Genuine question. Do you feel let down by Martin?

What is your gut feeling on this, ie how would you apportion blame? Percentages would do.

[Chris Smith]

I'm just surprised Randy gave such a dignified statement regarding a manager that couldn't even be arsed to tell him he was quitting. Four years working together and O'Neill couldn't even be bothered to call him.

No, he got the General to do his dirty work yesterday.

Does the general not have a mind of his own then?

Yes, but if he's going around issuing statements like that without approval then he should be sacked. I think it was a very calculated act, it's their choice but it's a long way from dignified.

He gave his opinion, something he's been doing for four years and of which you have always been in total approval.

"To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it", G K Chesterton.

"And the time is right when I say it is," C. Smith

That doesn't even make sense, and to think you make a living from words.

This started because Mark praised the dignified way Randy didn't rise to the bait, something I agree with and said so earlier in the thread. I think it would have been even better if that behaviour had been consistent for all board members. I'm not knocking their right to say it or for those who agree with it to say so it's just my opinion that we gained nothing from it and looked like we were point scoring.

[Toronto Villa]

I'm just surprised Randy gave such a dignified statement regarding a manager that couldn't even be arsed to tell him he was quitting. Four years working together and O'Neill couldn't even be bothered to call him.

No, he got the General to do his dirty work yesterday.

Does the general not have a mind of his own then?

I'm sure he does, but I can't help but think that there wasn't some plan there. The General is a non-executive member, yet he as close to Randy as anyone. To me the General throwing bombs as a non-exective member is just convenient.

Incidentally, Pelty has been proven to be the most "ITK" poster anywhere on the internet.

Food for thought for all those who got their knickers into a twist and dismissed him a few weeks ago.

which only adds weight to the argument that there was some method and design to the comments that made most major newspapers yesterday. The General has made a million comments on various boards, most of them quite non-descript and repetitive. Any media reading those would deem them hardly worthy of printing. Yet, when the time was right he gave his most one sided account of events ever. Nothing diplomatic at all.

[dave.woodhall]

That doesn't even make sense, and to think you make a living from words.

This started because Mark praised the dignified way Randy didn't rise to the bait, something I agree with and said so earlier in the thread. I think it would have been even better if that behaviour had been consistent for all board members. I'm not knocking their right to say it or for those who agree with it to say so it's just my opinion that we gained nothing from it and looked like we were point scoring.

What you're saying is that it's okay for the general to talk to us at any other time but when the biggest story since he became a  director breaks you expect him, and the rest of the board, to shut up and let the manager who let us all down run media rings round the club.

[Chris Smith]

Chris

Genuine question. Do you feel let down by Martin?

What is your gut feeling on this, ie how would you apportion blame? Percentages would do.

Not let down, that's personalising it too much. He hasn't done anything to me but I'm not happy with the situation and his part in it and I'm not happy with the timing of his departure, I don't t think there any excuses for that.

I think this was an avoidable mess and was a failure of management all the way down. Not being in possession of the full facts I have to apportion it 50/50.

Until a week ago I had pride in the way the club was run, we were rarely in the news for the wrong reasons. That changed on Monday but was continued because of what the General said yesterday. I'm hoping that Randy's statement starts to redress the balance  and we get back to some positive headlines over the next few days and weeks.

[Chris Smith]

That doesn't even make sense, and to think you make a living from words.

This started because Mark praised the dignified way Randy didn't rise to the bait, something I agree with and said so earlier in the thread. I think it would have been even better if that behaviour had been consistent for all board members. I'm not knocking their right to say it or for those who agree with it to say so it's just my opinion that we gained nothing from it and looked like we were point scoring.

What you're saying is that it's okay for the general to talk to us at any other time but when the biggest story since he became a  director breaks you expect him, and the rest of the board, to shut up and let the manager who let us all down run media rings round the club.

If you want to put it like that, what I wanted them to do was claim the moral highground. Do you think having it plastered all over the tabloids helped the club? It was just point scoring as far as I could tell.

[Clampy]

Regarding the General's comments yesterday, i'm siding with Chris on this one. Whilst i'm sure his aim was to be honest with us, i feel he went a little too far with it. On more than one occasion he's been  telling us to 'trust MON', then to come out with the statement he did just seemed wrong and a tad bit unproffessional, however good his intentions were.

The statement the club made today was enough.

[dave.woodhall]

That doesn't even make sense, and to think you make a living from words.

This started because Mark praised the dignified way Randy didn't rise to the bait, something I agree with and said so earlier in the thread. I think it would have been even better if that behaviour had been consistent for all board members. I'm not knocking their right to say it or for those who agree with it to say so it's just my opinion that we gained nothing from it and looked like we were point scoring.

What you're saying is that it's okay for the general to talk to us at any other time but when the biggest story since he became a  director breaks you expect him, and the rest of the board, to shut up and let the manager who let us all down run media rings round the club.

If you want to put it like that, what I wanted them to do was claim the moral highground. Do you think having it plastered all over the tabloids helped the club? It was just point scoring as far as I could tell.

There's no point claiming the moral high ground if you're being ripped to bits everywhere else.

[Toronto Villa]

I think it was planned and I think the General was right to give the club's perspective however "unofficial" it was.

[Rip Van We Go Again]

I'm just surprised Randy gave such a dignified statement regarding a manager that couldn't even be arsed to tell him he was quitting. Four years working together and O'Neill couldn't even be bothered to call him.

No, he got the General to do his dirty work yesterday.

Does the general not have a mind of his own then?

I'm sure he does, but I can't help but think that there wasn't some plan there. The General is a non-executive member, yet he as close to Randy as anyone. To me the General throwing bombs as a non-exective member is just convenient.

Incidentally, Pelty has been proven to be the most "ITK" poster anywhere on the internet.

Food for thought for all those who got their knickers into a twist and dismissed him a few weeks ago.

I seem to recall somebody on here saying
'I don't think he has a fucking clue.'

[Chris Smith]

That doesn't even make sense, and to think you make a living from words.

This started because Mark praised the dignified way Randy didn't rise to the bait, something I agree with and said so earlier in the thread. I think it would have been even better if that behaviour had been consistent for all board members. I'm not knocking their right to say it or for those who agree with it to say so it's just my opinion that we gained nothing from it and looked like we were point scoring.

What you're saying is that it's okay for the general to talk to us at any other time but when the biggest story since he became a  director breaks you expect him, and the rest of the board, to shut up and let the manager who let us all down run media rings round the club.

If you want to put it like that, what I wanted them to do was claim the moral highground. Do you think having it plastered all over the tabloids helped the club? It was just point scoring as far as I could tell.

There's no point claiming the moral high ground if you're being ripped to bits everywhere else.

It's eaxctly the time to do it. Anyone can claim it when it's easy, it's when it takes some effort that people show you what they're made of.

[Chris Smith]

I'm just surprised Randy gave such a dignified statement regarding a manager that couldn't even be arsed to tell him he was quitting. Four years working together and O'Neill couldn't even be bothered to call him.

No, he got the General to do his dirty work yesterday.

Does the general not have a mind of his own then?

I'm sure he does, but I can't help but think that there wasn't some plan there. The General is a non-executive member, yet he as close to Randy as anyone. To me the General throwing bombs as a non-exective member is just convenient.

Incidentally, Pelty has been proven to be the most "ITK" poster anywhere on the internet.

Food for thought for all those who got their knickers into a twist and dismissed him a few weeks ago.

I seem to recall somebody on here saying
'I don't think he has a fucking clue.'

Really!

He was wrong about Heskey at least, reports all put Ashley Young as the top earner.