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Offline Villa'Zawg

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Re: The replacement for MON...?
« Reply #2835 on: September 01, 2010, 11:41:01 PM »
Sturrock! that is one hell of a piss take whoever thought that one up must be on smack!!

I can assure you that I take nothing stronger than Calpol, and even that's only ever with an Arrowroot Biscuit to "soak it up".

Jewell Monday, Chris Hutchings Tuesday, Curbishley today, Bobby Gould Thursday and John Fashanu on Friday.

Awooga!

Even then I wouldn't have Curbishley.

Got to be Fash innit.  All that shouting and the flash jackets, it'd be lovely.

A good friend of mine has always claimed that his catchphrase is "Arooga" but I'm not hearing it as anything other than "Awooga".  Can anyone confirm whose ears are right?

is your name Roy Hodgson?

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Re: The replacement for MON...?
« Reply #2836 on: September 01, 2010, 11:42:14 PM »
Very good.

Offline Villa'Zawg

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Re: The replacement for MON...?
« Reply #2837 on: September 02, 2010, 01:18:58 AM »
MACDONALD MUST BE FREE TO COACH


Kevin MacDonald's talents should be put to best use on the training ground says Taylor

Thursday September 2,2010
By Graham Taylor



ASTON Villa expect to have a new man in charge soon. What they must not do is appoint Kevin MacDonald as the manager.

Villa are a club I have a lot of affection for, having worked there twice as a manager and also been on the board.

This is their opportunity to remodel how the football side of the club is run and probably their best chance of breaking into the top four.

When I was managing them, MacDonald was there. He has been there a long time and I have great respect for his knowledge and coaching ability.

That is why Villa should appoint him as head coach, his responsibility beginning and ending with the first team and getting out on the training pitch with them. That is what he is best at.

If they make MacDonald the manager in the old-fashioned way, they will not be getting the best out of him. It will be a waste.

It’s how Martin O’Neill managed Villa – he was responsible for everything. It’s the way I used to manage, it’s the way Sir Alex Ferguson used to manage. But Alex now delegates more. If I was in management now, so would I. The job is too big for one man. It needs to be split.

MacDonald would have to do the media duties as well because there is no way the man who runs the team can’t answer the questions.

But all the rest of it, the contracts and the money side of the club, that needs to be taken off him and done by someone else.

What has happened with O’Neill couldn’t have happened at a worse time. And he’s taken another four staff with him – the assistant manager, first-team coach, goal-keeping coach and chief scout.

It’s been a big hole to fill for MacDonald, promoted from looking after the reserves at which he was excellent. With Tony McAndrew also promoted alongside him, MacDonald has done well to get Villa through these past two weeks.

The chairman, Randy Lerner, did not over-react to the team beating a poor West Ham side in the first game under MacDonald, nor did he over-react to the 6-0 defeat at Newcastle. He has let MacDonald run the team and is taking an overview of the five games he has had.

MacDonald has taken his time to be sure, but perhaps not done himself any favours by talking openly of his doubts about doing the job now he has said he wants to be considered. This is a big chance for Lerner to put Villa on a better footing, to be able to compete in the big four with a head coach who appoints, or agrees to the appointments, of those who will work with him.

There will be a lot of applicants for the job, but I don’t see a lot out there. Sven-Goran Eriksson would bring a calm to the job, but is he the same manager now who did pretty well with Manchester City? I don’t know.

Martin Jol? Would he want to come to Villa now he seems to have got what he wants with Ajax?

Other top European names with no experience of our Premier League have been ruled out by Villa. The appointment of MacDonald as the new head coach is more and more attractive, with that brief to change the whole model.

When I was on the board at Villa I asked the then manager, John Gregory, what he wanted, and how I could help. He said that Villa needed a better worldwide scouting system and I set about putting that in place for him. However, when I left it was not carried on.

It’s the big area that is letting down Villa.

I know Ian Storey-Moore, who was chief scout under O’Neill, and how the club operated. Villa did not take many players from abroad, it was mainly an English-based squad. That has to change. MacDonald and the board must never again be wide open to five senior members of the football staff leaving when the manager goes. It has wiped them out.

Here is the opportunity to put a framework for coaching and scouting in place that stays in place no matter who the manager might be and who he brings with him.

If Lerner is not going to provide substantial amounts of money in the future, then the club finding their own players would fit in with that edict and would make Villa stronger.

I would like that.


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Offline old man villa fan

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Re: The replacement for MON...?
« Reply #2838 on: September 02, 2010, 01:22:03 AM »
I am sure I read a comment by The General saying that those in the club who needed to know what was going on, were being kept informed on what was happening.  I wonder if the Kevin MacDonald for manager has been a bit of a smoke screen.

Randy has been done over by MON in that MON took all of his staff with him.  I would take Randy as being somebody that wouldn't be burnt twice.  He would therefore probably want a manager that didn't bring all his own staff with him, so that if there was a parting some time in the future, there may be continuity as the assistant/coaching team would possibly stay on.  With this in mind, I wonder if Kevin Mac is lined up as Assistant Manager and 1st Team Coach and Randy is looking for more of a forward thinking General Manager to work with KM.  Somebody like Klinsmann would fit the bill perfectly and was quoted in the Mirror article last week
 
The 46-year-old, capped 108 times by Germany, has just moved his family back to their California home after an ill-fated spell as boss of Bayern Munich, but has made it clear he’d be open to the right offer to work in ­England.He said recently: “The next opportunity I take on must have an environment where I feel really happy. I want to work with people that do it for the right reasons.
“I want to fit into an environment that kind of shares my philosophy, and my philosophy is an ­attacking style of ­football.
“That’s just the way I think, and it’s how I built the German team for the 2006 World Cup over two years, which was highly ­criticised over a long stretch of time, and then they ­embraced it.
“It’s a style of play that takes time to implement, and you need the environment that gives you that time.
“That’s why I’m ­cautious. It needs to fit.”
That accords with Lerner’s vision for Villa after the ­American banking ­billionaire realised he ­can’t compete with Manchester City’s spending and needs to find another way to build a sustainable model.
He wants a boss he can work with rather than be confrontational after falling out with O’Neill over transfer plans.
Klinsmann’s gentlemanly style is just right – and he also has the standing in the game both to inspire the young ­players coming through the club’s academy scheme as well as manage the senior stars bought by O’Neill. Klinsmann had begun a ­behind-the-scenes revolution improving Bayern ­Munich’s youth structure before falling out with ­directors who were ­impatient for first-team results.


Link
http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news/Jurgen-Klinsmann-is-top-of-Aston-Villa-s-wish-list-to-become-their-next-manager-article567061.html

Some very similar wording there to the Club's statement and The General's comments.  Coincidence or The Mirror building a story?

The Mirror article I have since found out was an interview with Klinsmann by Sports Illustrated back in June before the World Cup.  There was a lot of talk about Klinsmann taking over as manager of USA but as we now know, Bob Bradley has a new contract.  Has this been the cause of the delay.

I have a feeling (but may be way off the mark) that Klinsmann is going to be our next manager.  There are so many similarities in what he said in that interview back in June with what Randy has said in the statement and what The General has said.  His family are back settled in America and the way he was talking, working in the PL didn't seem an issue from his family point of view.  As a General Manager, it could work for him as long as he had a good 1st team coach - step forward Keven Mac.  Graham Taylor in his article in the Express has said that KM would be best as 1st team coach rather than manager as well.  Surely, this is not just coincidence.  Are the pieces starting to fall into place?

Offline old man villa fan

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Re: The replacement for MON...?
« Reply #2839 on: September 02, 2010, 01:26:46 AM »
We've found out one of the interviewees. Alan bastard Curbishley.

How did you find that out?

What else do you know?

Offline Dante Lavelli

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Re: The replacement for MON...?
« Reply #2840 on: September 02, 2010, 01:45:34 AM »
Good ol' Graham Taylor.  I hope he was consulted by Randy as he speaks a helluva lot of sense in that article.

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Re: The replacement for MON...?
« Reply #2841 on: September 02, 2010, 01:52:48 AM »
Interviews have finished- they were conducted in London  over last 3 days and randy is heading back to brum tonight- curbs was interviewed , now it's a question of choosing new Manager- hopefully we may hear tomorrow- mirror website confirming interviews at a London hotel.

 If the Mirror story were true, then they’d have got photography of it.

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Re: The replacement for MON...?
« Reply #2842 on: September 02, 2010, 02:37:40 AM »
Good ol' Graham Taylor.  I hope he was consulted by Randy as he speaks a helluva lot of sense in that article.
Agreed. What GT is recommending will be a shock to most but basically adopting a European style set up. I for one can see the logic in that. Whether a (General) Manager will see it in the same way is open to question. It is certainly worth considering.

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Re: The replacement for MON...?
« Reply #2843 on: September 02, 2010, 03:13:09 AM »
A prayer for our dark times:

Oh Lord up above, who I have absolute no belief in, please make it so that when I wake up tomorrow, and forever and ever, Alan Curbishley is not the manager of Aston Villa, for he is one of the unclean, please, please God don't let it happen, I might even say a Hail Mary for you, oh God not him, he is a wrong 'un, Amen.

Offline Dante Lavelli

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Re: The replacement for MON...?
« Reply #2844 on: September 02, 2010, 03:16:24 AM »
I think that the dreaded Director of Football can work in the EPL.  I think it has failed previously because it has been imposed on incumbent managers.

In villa's case the people would be appointed on that basis so they roles will be defined from the off.

...Bring on the Klinsmann/K-Mac dream team.

Offline Dante Lavelli

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Re: The replacement for MON...?
« Reply #2845 on: September 02, 2010, 03:29:29 AM »
This is from the Daily Mail.  Doesn't take a genius to fill in a few blanks and connect the story to Villa's manager search.

Alex McLeish has fallen out with his Birmingham board after being accused of greed over contract talks.
The former Scotland manager is furious about a jibe by vice-chairman Peter Pannu, right-hand man of owner Carson Yeung, that he is ‘no Mourinho’.
Talks on a new contract for McLeish, who won promotion and then took the club to ninth place on a shoestring budget last season, have been going on for months without any sign of agreement.
He is currently on around £750,000 a year and wants a rise to £1million, but Pannu said: ‘He is asking for a very large amount of money which I was not prepared to meet.’


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1308228/Alex-McLeish-furious-following-rift-Birmingham-board-1m-deal.html#ixzz0yKqWNKTU

Offline villa for life

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Re: The replacement for MON...?
« Reply #2846 on: September 02, 2010, 04:50:19 AM »
Would be great for us, but he's not going to come after signing those 3 players on deadline day. Hope I'm wrong, mind..

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Re: The replacement for MON...?
« Reply #2847 on: September 02, 2010, 05:37:33 AM »
The Great Sir Graham has spoken. The board should listen and follow. That is all.

Offline Moorski

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Re: The replacement for MON...?
« Reply #2848 on: September 02, 2010, 05:47:32 AM »
I think that the Board should look at McLeish, he is a good Manager & has a lot of respect for Villa, Ferguson rates him highly,despite being at the Sty he has done well there and would do a good job for us imo, can't see it happening as our Board seem slow on the uptake over anything.

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Re: The replacement for MON...?
« Reply #2849 on: September 02, 2010, 08:07:52 AM »
According to the Express and Star its going to be Curbs, hope not he has been out of the game too long and it has moved on, that was one of the problems with our recently departed.

 http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/2010/09/02/latest-transfer-rumours-%e2%80%93-sept-2/

 


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